A Soil Test

Specie #6: Dewberry

This plant is a cousin to the blackberry but it grows on running vines instead of bushes. These plants get pretty heavily browsed by deer as well. The deer browse on the stalk and fruit of the plant more than the leaves. It’s amazing how they’re able to eat such a thorny plant.


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^^^ This is why I leave lots of open spaces for weeds to grow all summer and also don't worry too much about weeds in my plots unless they become too aggressive . Sometimes I lightly disc open spaces in the fall which seems to invigorate summer weed growth vs. grasses whereas lightly discing in the spring seems to invigorate more NWSG growth.

Quite common to see deer grazing on weeds when there is a lush food plot nearby.
 
Specie #7: Cutleaf Evening Primrose

I’ve seen the deer readily browse this one but I’d probably rate it as “moderate browsing”. Depending on the stage of growth it is 15-20% crude protein and approx. 70% digestible dry matter. In addition, it has a fibrous root system and brings in "beneficials" through its showy flowers. This is one aspect that I don’t think we fully understand yet. If you consider that video that dgallow posted on how plants interact…..it pretty obvious that they call out for other species to bring them things they need. Flowers are calling out to the beneficials. It would be very interesting if we understood the full interactions beyond just pollination.

“Cutleaf evening primrose is a noxious weed in agriculture, but horticulturists have found it useful as a vigorous groundcover and bedding plant. Naturalists consider it a desirable native wildflower. Bobwhite quails, mourning doves and American gold finches relish its seeds. Many species of butterflies and moths nectar on the flowers. Cherokee Indians consumed its leaves as potherb, and used a compound derived from its leaves in a body wash. They and other Native American tribes used the seed for various medicinal purposes. Cutleaf evening primrose freely reseeds. It is often considered a weedy species as its tiny black seeds remain viable in the soil for many years. Propagation is by seeds or cuttings. “


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Let’s do another one today……Again, these all within the same 2 ½ acre field where just a few years ago it was virtually all crabgrass….


Specie #8: Blackberry

This one is the Rubus cousin of the dewberry. I’m sure most of us are familiar with blackberry. It gets targeted later in the summer pretty heavily. The deer will eat the tops out of the thorny stalks as well as the fruit. It also produces a nice woody biomass component for the soil. It seems like some of my richest soil is where I’ve had a blackberry patch growing for several years. I mowed it back to allow some other plants to come in and they have really thrived in that area……..The end of the leaves are cut on this plant from my mowing a couple weeks ago. You can see it putting on new growth now though with the lime green top.

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Heck yeah man…….:)



Species #9: Spurge Nettle

This plant is not browsed by the deer as far as I can tell but I’ve noticed that it seems to be one the toughest broadleaf pioneer plants….establishing root systems in the harshest areas where other plants aren’t able to grow. I'll have to look it up but I want to say that nettles are known for having deep root systems. Don't hold me to that though.

The soil is my field is not consistent all the way across. There are some areas better/worse than other areas. The spurge nettle was very prevalent in the worst areas a couple years ago. I don’t see nearly as much of it now. I think it plays a pioneer role to get roots established in the soil as pathways for future plant roots to follow. I think if you have a lot of spurge nettle showing up then your focus probably needs to be to change the growing conditions. I only see a few plants now as compared to seeing many a few years ago.

The flowers also draw in beneficial insects. I still think that plays some role we don’t yet understand. The worst area of the field where I originally had the most spurge nettle now has other flowering plants coming in, not just where the old nettle plants were established, but in the general areas around them as well. Did the beneficials somehow play a role in getting those plants established??? Maybe………Check out that video dgallow posted on the interactions of plants with their environments….there’s a lot going on there beyond just what we initially see.

....…..Spurge Nettle


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I bet we probably have some different plant species being that we’re in such drastically different locations. The principles are still the same though. I don’t tend to look at plants as “good” or “bad” or deem some as useless….I just look at them as each having different characteristics that fill different niches. I also keep in the back on my mind with plants like these that maybe there’s some things about them that we just don’t yet understand. I do keep it in some perspective though, for example....I'm not gonna let kudzu just run a muck.

I tend to believe that the soil conditions created below ground is the main catalyst for the plant specie composition we see above ground in our food plots. Many times it’s our own human hands that are the biggest influence in creating the soil conditions that give rise to these type of plants like nettles. Like plowing the hell out of the fields and creating poor soil conditions and then battling the "harsh", "nasty", "weeds" that come in....once they go gly resistant.....figure out another chemical to spray on them...etc....and so on.....

Instead of going down that road I think you need to look at the root cause of the problems.....
 
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What we call "itch weed" (stinging nettle - pictured above) is currently growing in my brush pile. Apparently it has some medical uses, guess I would rather have it than Wild Parsnip

Plant Description
Stinging nettle is the name given to common nettle, garden nettle, and hybrids of these plants. Originally from the colder regions of northern Europe and Asia, this herbaceous shrub grows all over the world today. Stinging nettle grows well in nitrogen-rich soil, blooms between June and September, and usually reaches 2 to 4 feet high.

Stems are upright and rigid. Leaves are heart shaped, finely toothed, and tapered at the ends, and flowers are yellow or pink. The entire plant is covered with tiny stiff hairs, mostly on the underside of the leaves and stem, that release stinging chemicals when touched.

Did find this on the Wisconsin DNR website

From our perspective, the plant is irritating. Our initial reaction is to get rid of it. After all, what good is it? Before you dash for your gloves and loppers, understand that several native butterfly species are dependent on stinging nettle as their larval host plant, that is, the plant upon which their caterpillars feed. Without the host plant, the butterflies would not survive.

Milbert's tortoiseshell, Nymphalis milberti, a two-inch brown butterfly with an orange-yellow band highlighting the outer third of its wings, is totally dependent on stinging nettle as a host. Unlike most other butterfly species which lay single eggs on many plants, a female Milbert's tortoiseshell lays her eggs in large clusters on the underside of nettle leaves. After hatching, the young larvae feed on nettles within silky communal webs. As the young grow and molt, they wander to neighboring nettle plants to feed alone and rest in folded leaf shelters. When it's time to pupate and transform into adult butterflies, the fully-grown larvae crawl off the nettles, never to return.

Red admiral butterflies, Vanessa atalanta, can't survive Wisconsin winters and must, as migrants, recolonize the state each year from the south. Some years red admirals are plentiful, other years they are scarce. In their wanderings, red admirals search for stinging nettle and wood nettle. Females lay their eggs singly on nettles and the larvae feed on the tender leaves.

Larvae of several orange and dark brown anglewing butterflies feed on nettles as well as other plants. Question mark larvae, Polygonia interrogationis, feed on elm, hackberry and nettles. The eastern comma, P. comma, lays her eggs singly or in a short stack directly on nettles, elms or hops. The rare satyr comma, P. satyrus, of northern Wisconsin uses nettle as its only host plant. The pale-green eggs are laid on the lower surface of nettle leaves. Like other anglewings, the young caterpillars rest inside folded leaf shelters. It appears the larvae are unaffected by the stinging hairs, though scientists don't understand how they are protected from the nettle's chemical defenses.

Learn to recognize stinging nettle, walk around it and think twice before cutting it down. Some people even plant stinging nettle in butterfly gardens along with common milkweed, everlasting and violets. All the butterflies that feed on nettles are wanderers so you're more likely to have these colorful visitors find your garden than many other butterfly species. As an added bonus, study your growing nettle patch to discover other creatures that live and dine on this delicacy.
 
Wow, that did not take long. Hey Crimson n' Camo, can you tell me about why NWSG that you mentioned before in this thread?

A little history. I have a field, mostly sand in northern lower peninsula in Michigan, that only grew blueberries, sweet fern and something that looked like a brillo pad. Left alone, little change for years. Then I tried Ed Spinnazola's Meadow Mix for a couple years, grew zero switchgrass and a little big bluestem. I did get more sweet fern and blueberries. I referred to it as a beach. We did have some very dry summers for a couple of years. I have since picked up some equipment, got a disc last fall and planted some winter wheat in September. I also limed to soil test. I was amazed at how well it came in this spring. I tilled that in and planted sudangrass, for the roots and plan to mow for increased root growth, buckwheat and Arvika peas. PH 5.5, CEC 2.7, organic matter 1.9, Then I found this site.

I was planning on rye and winter wheat with clover this fall for spring coverage. So how and why do the NWSG fit in?

Thanks.
 
Wow, that did not take long. Hey Crimson n' Camo, can you tell me about why NWSG that you mentioned before in this thread?

A little history. I have a field, mostly sand in northern lower peninsula in Michigan, that only grew blueberries, sweet fern and something that looked like a brillo pad. Left alone, little change for years. Then I tried Ed Spinnazola's Meadow Mix for a couple years, grew zero switchgrass and a little big bluestem. I did get more sweet fern and blueberries. I referred to it as a beach. We did have some very dry summers for a couple of years. I have since picked up some equipment, got a disc last fall and planted some winter wheat in September. I also limed to soil test. I was amazed at how well it came in this spring. I tilled that in and planted sudangrass, for the roots and plan to mow for increased root growth, buckwheat and Arvika peas. PH 5.5, CEC 2.7, organic matter 1.9, Then I found this site.

I was planning on rye and winter wheat with clover this fall for spring coverage. So how and why do the NWSG fit in?

Thanks.

A well balanced system has all three components…..grass, broadleaf, legume. The native warm season grasses make up the grass component of a natural prairie type ecosystem. They're very deep rooted grasses that grow in a bunch type form that allows the other broadleaf & legume components to easily grow amongst it compared to other type grasses. They’re also a more wildlife friendly grass than things like crabrass or bermuda, etc.

https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/nrcs143_010044.pdf


This is how some of the very best habitat in my area of the southeast is managed. Vast acreages of understories that are dominated by native warm season grasses providing cover for wildlife along with forbs and legumes providing food. There’s tens of thousands of acres managed like the pic below or in a similar fashion. Habitat like this can support very robust deer populations as well as other critters like turkeys and quail. It makes it tough though to try and plant and acre or two of food plots.

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Specie #10: Florida Pusley

This is a succulent little ground cover specie. It gets readily browsed by the local rabbits but I’m not 100% sure if the deer are browsing it or not. It has a lot of flowers which means it will have some kind of beneficial insects associated with it. That’s something I notice about a natural system…..there are LOTS of flowering species present. That tells me that beneficials must be a pretty important cog in the wheel if the plant world is putting out such a big call to bring them in.

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This is to answer a question I had posed to me in a PM….I wanted to post it for everyone to see though in case others have the same question or want to offer more insight into the discussion.

The question was about growing NWSG in my field during the summer months and why I was ok with that…….



Let me start out by saying there is no ONE right way to do this. There are only general principles to understand and apply. There’s many ways of pulling it off. You don’t have to copy exactly what I do. Adapt the principles to your situation to best fit. In the end though, we’re mimicking natural systems with whichever way we choose…..whether that be drilling in a diverse cover crop mix or growing natural vegetation, etc. I’m just showing the natural system that we’re mimicking in my thread as it rebuilds my soils. I’m not real interested in trying to grow beans, sunhemp, buckwheat, etc., etc. in the summer because they just get decimated before they have a chance to do anything. My goal is to grow a diverse mix of numerous native plant species along with clovers in the summer. Grasses are merely one component of that. Think about if we were gonna build a deck or a porch….You would have posts that hold up and support the whole structure. Your grasses are those posts that are foundation blocks of the whole ecosytem. They are merely one component but they help hold up the whole structure.

I’m surrounded with a lot of habitat that gets routinely burned on an annual or every two-year rotation. There’s vast acreages of great habitat to support the deer from both a food and cover perspective…..which means that the landscape is supporting a far higher deer population than I can attempt to keep up with using certain species in a 2-3 acre field. Therefore, my “plan” is tailored around my constraints instead of fighting against them. Again, during the summer I want to grow a very diverse, low maintenance crop of natural vegetation that is able to withstand the browsing pressure, produce biomass, and continue to improve soil fertility.

One of my main goals is to be able to grow a winter crop of cereal grains that is productive enough to keep up with deer browsing all the way through the winter. Our rut is not until late January and that’s when I need my plots to outshine everything else around me. I get to tour many properties in my area due to having blood tracking dogs. Most traditionally managed plots around here are eaten to a nub or turning colors by late winter……I want mine still pumping out lush green vegetation. That happens through improving the soil……What I do in the summer is geared toward improving the soil as much as feeding the deer even though I’m accomplishing both goals.

Here’s the kicker…..even though I’m just growing “weeds” in the summer as some would say…..the deer still recognize the difference in fertility. I think this is due to increased BRIX. People often say...."I want to do something to keep the deer using my plot during the summer.".....That can be accomplished through increased fertility. For example, I doubt there are very many acres of soil surrounding me with 4100 lbs/ac of Ca other than my field.....I bet the deer recognize that.
 
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Thanks for the link, Crimson n' Camo. That stuff is fascinating. Some of the content made me think of those "I've fallen and I can't get up!" commercials. Systems like that are what we humans developed for when we're immobilized. It's pretty awesome to think that some plants have their own version of that.
 
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dgallow
I'd be real interested to see what the NWSG and forbs can do in your soils! That is where I've seen the biggest soil changes for the least input!
CnC
I’d like to be able to start working on the subsoil now. I did have a little NWSG starting to creep into the field last summer. Maybe I’ll see more appear this year.
CnC
Long term I'm looking for some NWSG to come along and put down roots....

History. Soil ph 5.5, CEC 2.7, Organic matter 1.9%. I had a DNR forester check out the property before and he told me that nothing would grow because this field was a frost bowl. But I have faith. This field started with sweet fern, blueberries and something that looked like a brillo pad. I had a guy disc it up and planted Ed Spinnazola's Meadow mix 2 years in a row. Droughts both years. Not much, but a very little big Bluestem, maybe 2 or 3 Cave in Rock, don't laugh. The blueberries came back strong. I finally got some equipment and avoided the big blue. Last year I planted sudangrass, for root mass with buckwheat. I never had to mow, because somebody was nibbling on it. I did lime (finally) and planted rye and rape last August. Naturally, no rain for weeks. I picked up a disc and planted wheat 9/26 mostly because I had a new toy. I was amazed by the spring regrowth. Cool weather and rain. I planted Timothy, Buckwheat, Sudangrass and Arvika peas 6/7.

Looks like a beach again. No rain again, timing. But I have some germination today. Onward.

Then I found this site.

Now back to the post. When I saw your soil Crimson, I was blown away. Kinda like when I went to see Joel Salatin.

My little bit of big blue does not stand in winter. If I go to NWSG, how does that interact with cereals? Roll the grasses?

How do you plan to work on the subsoil?

Do you, or anybody know anything about bicolor lespedeza?

One last one for now, I will not be using any herbicides. I am planning on keeping the ground covered, healing and growing.

I am waiting.
 
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