Antler Conformation

[Bowriter]

So antler color has nothing do with pigmentation?It is all attributed to the type tree they rub? What about the soil content? Does it have anything to do antlers? Does soil content-minerals and such, vary with habitat? Hmm. Since those three rules, all apply to physical adaptation to habitat, then antler configuration is just haphazard?
But of course, you are right. Sorry for trying to confuse you. I'll get back to putting new line on reels, now.

 

[dogghr]

So antler color has nothing do with pigmentation?It is all attributed to the type tree they rub? What about the soil content? Does it have anything to do antlers? Does soil content-minerals and such, vary with habitat? Hmm. Since those three rules, all apply to physical adaptation to habitat, then antler configuration is just haphazard?
But of course, you are right. Sorry for trying to confuse you. I'll get back to putting new line on reels, now.

Actually I don't see how it does affect antler width in relation to understory. And yes I am confused. And is there a study along those lines. I've repeatedly said you could be accurate, but no I'm not convinced yet. But I'm listening. Hope you don't get confused on which direction to spool those reels, can be a dang mess.

 

[Mennoniteman]

So antler color has nothing do with pigmentation?It is all attributed to the type tree they rub? What about the soil content? Does it have anything to do antlers? Does soil content-minerals and such, vary with habitat? Hmm. Since those three rules, all apply to physical adaptation to habitat, then antler configuration is just haphazard?
But of course, you are right. Sorry for trying to confuse you. I'll get back to putting new line on reels, now.

You didn't convince me on narrow tall racks yet. But I do appreciate the discussions that you started, thanks for getting me thinking, something that I tend to neglect to do sometimes. You tend to think outside the box sometimes and we need people like that. I apologize for making fun of your theory earlier, even if it's implausible.

 

[Baker]

So antler color has nothing do with pigmentation?It is all attributed to the type tree they rub? What about the soil content? Does it have anything to do antlers? Does soil content-minerals and such, vary with habitat? Hmm. Since those three rules, all apply to physical adaptation to habitat, then antler configuration is just haphazard?
But of course, you are right. Sorry for trying to confuse you. I'll get back to putting new line on reels, now.

Interesting how different people communicate. Some speak from their personal experience . Some are open minded curious to explore ideas with an interest to learn. Some preach and talk down to the unwashed masses. Some loosely allude to knowledge they possess, mislead with innuendo then misdirect when challenged. And yet others are condescending judgemental and when challenged or confronted divert.

Sometimes for me it is difficult to get past communication styles I find inappropriate to find any value in what his being posted.

 

[Bowriter]

There was a doctor at Auburn University. He directed a deer study project that may still be going. He was/is one of the most knowledgeable guys in the field of deer and deer biology I have ever run across.


In 1995, a plantation with which I was associated was one of the places he studied. That year, I killed a relatively large buck-large in terms of both antlers and body weight. The doctor came to age him. The buck had an 18”-spread, I commented that we seldom kill a wide-racked buck and we killed about 400-deer a year. His reply was that we were hunting thick swamp deer and deer in the thick swamp seldom had wide racks because they had adapted traveling in the thick cover.


That is the basis for my original statement. I stand by it. But…as swamps and other forms of thick cover are logged and cleared; and as sub-species inter-breed and move, this is less of a hard fact.


Antlers are governed by genetics-age-nutrition. As I stated, we can impact age and nutrition. Only evolution impacts genetics. In every specie, there are anomalies-animals that defy the norm. A wide-racked buck from the deep swamp. An albino etc. But all warm-blooded animals are impacted by the three rules I stated previously. They impact body characteristics. Why would we then suppose there is not a similar connection to antlers?


That is my final statement on this subject.

 

[catscratch]

Interesting how different people communicate. Some speak from their personal experience . Some are open minded curious to explore ideas with an interest to learn. Some preach and talk down to the unwashed masses. Some loosely allude to knowledge they possess, mislead with innuendo then misdirect when challenged. And yet others are condescending judgemental and when challenged or confronted divert.

Sometimes for me it is difficult to get past communication styles I find inappropriate to find any value in what his being posted.

I sure hope I'm viewed as one of the first two options (at least some of the time). With that said I freely admit sometimes I speak out of turn or fail to see value in every communication style.

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[Native Hunter]

There was a doctor at Auburn University. He directed a deer study project that may still be going. He was/is one of the most knowledgeable guys in the field of deer and deer biology I have ever run across.


In 1995, a plantation with which I was associated was one of the places he studied. That year, I killed a relatively large buck-large in terms of both antlers and body weight. The doctor came to age him. The buck had an 18”-spread, I commented that we seldom kill a wide-racked buck and we killed about 400-deer a year. His reply was that we were hunting thick swamp deer and deer in the thick swamp seldom had wide racks because they had adapted traveling in the thick cover.


That is the basis for my original statement. I stand by it. But…as swamps and other forms of thick cover are logged and cleared; and as sub-species inter-breed and move, this is less of a hard fact.


Antlers are governed by genetics-age-nutrition. As I stated, we can impact age and nutrition. Only evolution impacts genetics. In every specie, there are anomalies-animals that defy the norm. A wide-racked buck from the deep swamp. An albino etc. But all warm-blooded animals are impacted by the three rules I stated previously. They impact body characteristics. Why would we then suppose there is not a similar connection to antlers?

That is my final statement on this subject.

If you can exclude Baker's ranch as empirical data, then I'm can exclude your plantation......

You've given your final word on the subject now here is mine until you just flat out admit you are wrong:

 

[dogghr]

There was a doctor at Auburn University. He directed a deer study project that may still be going. He was/is one of the most knowledgeable guys in the field of deer and deer biology I have ever run across.


In 1995, a plantation with which I was associated was one of the places he studied. That year, I killed a relatively large buck-large in terms of both antlers and body weight. The doctor came to age him. The buck had an 18”-spread, I commented that we seldom kill a wide-racked buck and we killed about 400-deer a year. His reply was that we were hunting thick swamp deer and deer in the thick swamp seldom had wide racks because they had adapted traveling in the thick cover.


That is the basis for my original statement. I stand by it. But…as swamps and other forms of thick cover are logged and cleared; and as sub-species inter-breed and move, this is less of a hard fact.


Antlers are governed by genetics-age-nutrition. As I stated, we can impact age and nutrition. Only evolution impacts genetics. In every specie, there are anomalies-animals that defy the norm. A wide-racked buck from the deep swamp. An albino etc. But all warm-blooded animals are impacted by the three rules I stated previously. They impact body characteristics. Why would we then suppose there is not a similar connection to antlers?


That is my final statement on this subject.

Well that may be why we've not seen such a supportive study as even the good Dr may have realized he could be mistaken. I will give the theory more support if one would assume a wide racked buck preferred traveling thru more open woods, thus exposing himself more to predators/man and his demise, than a more narrow racked buck who tended to stay in thickets thru which he was more protected.
And by way of natural selection the narrow rack genes survived transfer to the pool, eventually making it dominant.
Another idea would be narrow racks give more head protection in hard fighting, again contributing to the gene pool from increased survival edge. We've all see the gouged eyes and ears and skulls from fights.
At least that makes some reasoning. See, that wasn't so difficult when words aren't presented in a condescending way. I know, cause I'm good at it. Carry on, if you want to start a debate, the follow thru with your arguments. I've changed many and idea of mine from such conversations on this and the old forum over the years.

 

[Baker]

If you can exclude Baker's ranch as empirical data, then I'm can exclude your plantation......

You've given your final word on the subject now here is mine until you just flat out admit you are wrong:

Native thats just outright funny!!!!!

 

[wbpdeer]

Mac Davis could sing it and sell it too.

If my grandson was to ask me what makes a buck's rack wide or narrow - I am going to tell him nature takes care of that not us.
If that makes me dumb or smart I really have other things about my deer hunting I am worried about. #1 on the list is getting many food plots added to provide good foot 12 months out of the year.

By the way - I am OK being a dumb redneck.

Wayne

 

[Baker]

Mac Davis could sing it and sell it too.

If my grandson was to ask me what makes a buck's rack wide or narrow - I am going to tell him nature takes care of that not us.
If that makes me dumb or smart I really have other things about my deer hunting I am worried about. #1 on the list is getting many food plots added to provide good foot 12 months out of the year.

By the way - I am OK being a dumb redneck.

Wayne

It's Sunday afternoon. I have but one thing to say...

WHO DAT!!!

Saints-Eagles
Consider me nervous

 

[SwampCat]

It's Sunday afternoon. I have but one thing to say...

WHO DAT!!!

Saints-Eagles
Consider me nervous

You have reason to be nervous

 

[wbpdeer]

Baker

I am hopeful Alvin Kamara can get in rhythm.

Eagles are handful thus far.

Wayne

 

[dogghr]

It's Sunday afternoon. I have but one thing to say...

WHO DAT!!!

Saints-Eagles
Consider me nervous

Smallwood is a WV fellow so I have to be rooting for Eagles. But we all know Drews ability .....

 

[Mitch123]

Smallwood is a WV fellow so I have to be rooting for Eagles. But we all know Drews ability .....

Smallwood and Dougles! Think we got a good new head coach as well dogghr!

 

[dogghr]

Smallwood and Dougles! Think we got a good new head coach as well dogghr!

Hell yea. I liked Dana well enough but he was in over his head before his time. Poor longterm recruiter except for transfers. And hate getting rid of a WV boy but def has sucked. Hopefully better recruiting and coaching in future will pay dividends. We will always be a somewhat small school in a low population state, so we have to accept our limitations. Heck, we can't even grow a deer that makes it into the 140s!! so I been told. Too thick of brush.
Now Huggy may be on the chopping block if his recuits don't start playing by March. What a train wreck.

 

[catscratch]

My team played yesterday, nothing to worry about for a week.

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[Mitch123]

Hell yea. I liked Dana well enough but he was in over his head before his time. Poor longterm recruiter except for transfers. And hate getting rid of a WV boy but def has sucked. Hopefully better recruiting and coaching in future will pay dividends. We will always be a somewhat small school in a low population state, so we have to accept our limitations. Heck, we can't even grow a deer that makes it into the 140s!! so I been told. Too thick of brush.
Now Huggy may be on the chopping block if his recuits don't start playing by March. What a train wreck.

Dana never locked into the donors and kept the program too tight lipped. Neal Brown is a true players coach and a genuine guy it sounds like. I love WV for that aspect, WVU is all that we have (minus that small school down in the southern part of the state.) So the players and the fans pour it all out for the state!

PS, Gibby just got a gig at NC State, and Huggy is a HOF coach and a WV man. Some of the players just need to get it together. He had a great quote the other day, “Basketball’s kind of like a girlfriend,” Huggins said. “If you don’t pay attention to her, she’s probably going to drift off on you. I look at basketball that way. Basketball’s something you’ve got to love. You gotta love, you gotta be committed to, you’ve got to spend time with. And when you don’t do that, basketball gets mad … just like your girlfriend would.”

 

[OkieKubota]

What a derail! What were we talking about again...oh yea...how wide deer can come from anywhere and the dark racks are due to the types of trees the bucks rub and the ensuing matter that sticks to the sap...

 

[Native Hunter]

What a derail! What were we talking about again...oh yea...how wide deer can come from anywhere and the dark racks are due to the types of trees the bucks rub and the ensuing matter that sticks to the sap...

Don't worry Okie - I will get this thread back on track: