MarkDarvin
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Do you have a drill?
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KSQ2
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No, I have a buddy who has a no-till, but he’ll be using it all fall. I only have access to it in the spring. I plan to follow Mennonite’s lead with the oats next spring in a couple spots.
KSQ2
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Planning to spray some clethodim on Saturday and then t&m 3 weeks or so later depending on rain. Will that be okay? I did a search and people are all over the map on whether clethodim has a long residual. I wanted to see if any of you have any experience. I’ll be throwing cereals with other stuff, so they’re definitely in the grass family.
deer patch
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Shouldn’t have any problem with doing that. I sprayed clethodim 3” weeks before drilling wheat and oats last Saturday and I checked mine today and they were 3”-4” tall today. I’d say go for it.
weekender21
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Sprayed mid August and broadcasted September 2nd and 3rd. Decent moisture in the forecast.
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I have a bit of a dilemma. I sprayed plots about a month ago, we were still pretty dry down here. I planted brassica/clover mix around labor day with a little moisture in the forecast. After the rains, I had quite a bit weeds growing in my plots. I planted Elbon Rye a few weeks after the brassica mix and got a little rain, but not much. I can't really tell if I've got much rye popping up yet. I have a feeling I'm going to need to overseed the rye again next time rain i in the forecast. I figure I've got 2-3 weeks until I run out of time.
My question is what to do about the weeds? Some plots have more of the brassica/clover mix growing than others and looks to be off to a decent start. Should I try to treat the weeds or just overseed pretty heavy with Elbon Rye when and if we get some rain?
My question is what to do about the weeds? Some plots have more of the brassica/clover mix growing than others and looks to be off to a decent start. Should I try to treat the weeds or just overseed pretty heavy with Elbon Rye when and if we get some rain?
There's isn't anything you can spray to deal with weeds in that mix. You could spray the grasses with clethodim, but beware your grains are technically grasses. I wouldn't spray, unless the weeds are terrible.
Cleth was what I was thinking. I think it’s just too early to know if the grains germinated.
I’ll probably wait and see how things look over the next 2 weeks. We got very little chance of rain in the next two weeks, hopefully that will change
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I’ll probably wait and see how things look over the next 2 weeks. We got very little chance of rain in the next two weeks, hopefully that will change
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KSQ2
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Need some advice fellas and I didn’t want to begin a new thread.
This plot should be ripe for throw and mow this fall, my question is: should I put any rye down with the clover/chicory/radishes? I’m afraid what I’d put down along with the seed heads would crowd out the clover and chicory the next spring. There is a LOT of rye in the heads.
This plot should be ripe for throw and mow this fall, my question is: should I put any rye down with the clover/chicory/radishes? I’m afraid what I’d put down along with the seed heads would crowd out the clover and chicory the next spring. There is a LOT of rye in the heads.
yoderjac
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Since you are talking about using chicory, I'm assuming your plan to manage the field as a perennial clover/chicory field for the long run. Given that, I would not worry about crowing out the clover. The WR will act as a nurse crop. Perennial clover spends the first part of its life putting down a root system. The WR keeps weeds at bay while the clover is doing this and then dies on its own the next summer. I typically get little if any clover production in the fall. The WR is the fall attractant, along with your radishes. Clover may germinate but focus on putting down roots. You can use a pretty heavy nurse crop with no problem. I wouldn't worry about WR seed heads, but if you are concerned you can always lower you WR seeding rate to compensate.
The key is mowing the following spring. Each time the WR get 12-18 inches mow it back to 6-8". This will keep the WR alive but keep it from shading out the clover. By the time the WR dies naturally, the clover should have taken over the field. Personally, I like Durana clover for its drought resistance and persistence. It is slow to establish, so timely spring mowing is important. With Durana I'll mow back to 6". With taller clovers, I'll mow back to 8". The object is to mow the WR just above the clover to keep it from shading out the clover.
By the next fall, you should have a good perennial clover/chicory field.
Thanks,
Jack
MarkDarvin
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If that dried down on it's own, I wouldn't add any.
MarkDarvin
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Possibly. Depends how wet it gets. I had triticale germinate on the seed head 5 feet in the air this summer.
KSQ2
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A question about t&m adaptation. Some of the advice on the other thread about regenerative plotting got me thinking, and I thought more eyes would get on it here rather than opening another thread. The main problem we had last year with restarting perineal plots was a very slight rain with little accumulation soon after broadcasting; the cereals survived just fine, but the clovers and chicory failed miserably. It’s too bad, because we actually had enough rain in the spring and early summer to keep them from dying I believe, they likely would have just gone dormant. Here’s my question about adapting fall broadcasting strategy. What if I broadcast the cereals/radishes in the normal 9/15-10/7 timeframe (I’ve NEVER had cereals be a complete failure, even in our toughest years), and then waited for real rain that usually comes the end of October or beginning of November, to broadcast the clover/chicory? I believe if I’d done this last year we would have had much more long term success. Has anyone ever done this?
yoderjac
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Sure! I've done a lot of mixed planting options. I don't generally have a rain issue (knock on wood), but I've done it for other reasons. As cereal grains age, they become less attractive. So, I don't want to plant them too early. If I wait, they are attractive all season here. On the other hand, if I plant PTT late, there is not enough growing season for bulbs to get very big which reduces the amount of late season and post season food.
So, I've planted PTT in August and then gone back in September and surface broadcast WR and CC over top and cultipacked. PTT doesn't have bulbs yet and is not hurt by the cultipacking. I like to cultipack as it increases my germination rates, but with a good rain in the forecast I don't really need to do it. I have had great success when I've done this. The only down side is that it is more work, so sometimes I do it and some times I don't just depending on my time availability that year.
You should have no issue broadcasting small seeded clover a month later. Cultipacking will not hurt WR that young at all.
Glad you answered the question about planting brassicas early and cultipacking over them. I’ve often wanted to planted early and come back later to broadcast and cultipack cereal grains, but have been worried about damaging the brassicas.
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