Regenerative Plotting

I looked at this Chaos blend and thought about using it or a form of it. Looks like something useful to the soil and I could get some veggies from it on occasion.


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I think this would be fun to do for a year in an acre or two plot just to see what happens.

https://www.greencoverseed.com/product/milpa-garden-warm-season/

Love the diversity, but I think you'd lose some intentional outcomes like late season greens. If you're in no danger of running outta food with the acres you've got, that's less of a problem. I'm pushing max tonnage because I still run out. It just happens a little later each year.
 
Love the diversity, but I think you'd lose some intentional outcomes like late season greens. If you're in no danger of running outta food with the acres you've got, that's less of a problem. I'm pushing max tonnage because I still run out. It just happens a little later each year.

I generally have large plans then end up with brassicas overseeded with WR because I lack originality and courage.
 
I generally have large plans then end up with brassicas overseeded with WR because I lack originality and courage.
Go back 10 years and that plan would be ground breaking, pardon the expression. Don't need an App to configure anything any better for deer food plotting. Soil building, weed controlling, food providing, inexpensive, easy. What else is needed??
 
I think this would be fun to do for a year in an acre or two plot just to see what happens.

https://www.greencoverseed.com/product/milpa-garden-warm-season/

That looks really cool and I have places I could try that. But here's my question; how do you plant such a wide diversity of seed sizes? Doubt I could use my drill cause setting it to plant watermelon would be too big for most of the rest of the seeds.The wide range of seed sizes seems to be the problem to me. Thoughts anyone?

The bugs in the video remind me of anywhere Louisiana
 
That looks really cool and I have places I could try that. But here's my question; how do you plant such a wide diversity of seed sizes? Doubt I could use my drill cause setting it to plant watermelon would be too big for most of the rest of the seeds.The wide range of seed sizes seems to be the problem to me. Thoughts anyone?

The bugs in the video remind me of anywhere Louisiana
I sometimes plant around 12-15 different species in a plot. I do Throw-n-Mow and have to broadcast different seeds separately. It's work going over the same plot a bunch of times but no worries as I enjoy the time doing it. When I Throw-n-Mow pumpkins, squash, and basically anything bigger than a bean I throw it by hand as my spreader doesn't open far enough.

Last yr I gave each of my kids a bucket of seed, took a handful and plastered one of them with my best pitch possible... the seed got spread pretty quickly after that.

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Mark, I watched the Ted Talks with Allan savory last night on YouTube. It was incredibly interesting and seemed to support much of what I’ve read here and the other forum over the years from folks like Dgallow. This other video popped up on my feed that I should’ve ignored. I didn’t, and it made me mad. But it did make a claim that really caught my attention: that there are no peer-reviewed articles that support the purported virtues of intensive rotational grazing. Is that true?
 
Mark, I watched the Ted Talks with Allan savory last night on YouTube. It was incredibly interesting and seemed to support much of what I’ve read here and the other forum over the years from folks like Dgallow. This other video popped up on my feed that I should’ve ignored. I didn’t, and it made me mad. But it did make a claim that really caught my attention: that there are no peer-reviewed articles that support the purported virtues of intensive rotational grazing. Is that true?
I really don't know if there are any peer review studies of mob grazing. Good point and I haven't looked. We don't mob graze on our place so I couldn't give first hand info on it. I do know people are making a living doing it...

I followed dgallow closely when he was on the hunting forums, and still do on facebook (he still posts, just different places). He's more of a regenerative operator that uses cattle for an end goal that benefits cattle. Clear as mud? The guys has some serious knowledge.

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Don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to poo poo on it. I feel a little deflated to hear it.

I can tell you this I’ve been to Doug’s ranch and he to mine. And having worked cattle and sheep in my past lives his methods sold me in value of rotational and mob grazing for cattle land management and deer plot plantings.
He and I were headed in similar directions on changing what when and how we were doing foodplots much against the grain of organizes industry. We were like kids in a candy shop his last visit talking these aspects much to the humor of our wives. I can’t share in words properly the intricacies of soil and moisture management but I know what personally I do.
Perhaps reading more of the Noble research institute can feel some voids of understanding.
One of the very complaints of those w training in academia in these areas is failure/ refusal to teach or research these directions. I’m sure I made that all confusing.


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And these testimonials are why I feel like a kid just finding out Santa’s not real when I hear there’s no science to back it up ... that the scholarly articles on the subject found no benefit. Hoping I can find that that’s not true.
 
And these testimonials are why I feel like a kid just finding out Santa’s not real when I hear there’s no science to back it up ... that the scholarly articles on the subject found no benefit. Hoping I can find that that’s not true.

There are to many farmers, cattlemen, garners, and hunters doing some form of multi species crops and seeing the benefits for me to care if a paper was written or not to credit or discredit the technique. There is enough testimonial
On this forum and the one that cannot be named to prove that it does do as stated. The results are there to be seen with anyone that asks or researches the subject.


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And these testimonials are why I feel like a kid just finding out Santa’s not real when I hear there’s no science to back it up ... that the scholarly articles on the subject found no benefit. Hoping I can find that that’s not true.
Corporate and government science isn't behind any of this. They're starting to catch up to maintain some relevancy, but the pioneers in all this are largely actual operators that refuse to farm for free or live in a toxic wasteland, and former academics that were booted from the ag swamp. I'm surprised Ray Archuleta hung on to his job at all given what he was preaching.

Bottom line is this. Labs, classrooms, scholarships, and research grants are not funded by guys figuring out ways to spend less money on drugs, machinery, fertilizer, seed, spray, and buildings. All this stuff is pumped by industry and government to keep the orthodoxy of intense inputs alive and producers always on the edge of going broke. The science is easy to follow if you keep at it, and digest it one piece at a time.

Somewhere back in this thread, I think, are the foundational videos that lay all this out. Go back and watch them. If you can't find those four or five, let me know, and I'll repost them.
 
And these testimonials are why I feel like a kid just finding out Santa’s not real when I hear there’s no science to back it up ... that the scholarly articles on the subject found no benefit. Hoping I can find that that’s not true.

What exactly are you looking for peer reviewed proof of? I think there is little debate that “regenerative plotting” is more sustainable, cheaper, and better for the soil than traditional farming methods. That makes it a viable alternative for food plots and pasture management. However, there is no way it will even come close to being as productive as conventional farming methods when it comes to the two crops that matter most - corn and soybeans.

The fact of the matter is corn doesn’t like competition and it loves nitrogen. If you are farming for money and don’t want to go broke, you’d better not plant 11 other species with your corn. Would it benefit the soil and wildlife? Yes. Would you harvest any corn grain? No. The happy middle ground is reached through no-till planting methods and cover cropping.
 
One of the frustrations can be expecting changes and success to be immediate. For even a foodplotter it takes several rotations and really thinking outside the box of seed selection before results begins to show. When it shines is when weather and conditions are less than normal.
Oddly farmers in areas of less than optimum soils are the quickest to accept these methods. Except for a couple older guys I hardly ever see and soil disturbance and plantings done no or minimal till. No bare soil ever as ground is constantly planted from grains to brassica to so-called cash crops.
Don’t think this is new stuff. On the documentary of general Washington showing this wk on history channel they spoke of his change to rotational plantings to escape the tobacco crops that England was basically robbing him of. He became self dependent and developed one of the greatest graineries of that time. And he was using knowledge that had been developed but not accepted in England. We are doing nothing new.
And as for profits of farmers... take away the tax based go nt incentives to grow massive crops for ethanol and feed the world and I bet more farmers would change their course. My previous farmer owner of my place probably made more money from his garden size tobacco plot from govt paying him NOT to plant more acres , than he did from his cattle.
We should be teaching the world how to grow crops properly, not sending in bulk to feed them! Opinion you can take or leave.


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We should be teaching the world how to grow crops properly, not sending in bulk to feed them! Opinion you can take or leave.


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Ain’t that the truth. But I’m afraid we are beyond that point - there are too many people in the world, and they all need to eat.
 
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