Regenerative Plotting

[Mennoniteman]

I can get one of those easily and cheap. How do u set for amt of lime/ ac?


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It has a handle on the front that opens and closes slides on the bottom. There's an adjustable stop on the handle that prevents the slides from opening the whole way, and there's a wheel driven auger inside at the bottom that drops lime according to ground speed. In other words, if you stop driving the lime stops coming, if you drive fast the lime comes out fast. The new ones come with a manual and a chart to set lbs per acre, but my experience is that setting the stop to the middle of the range gives me 1 ton per acre, which is often my target rate. Then I just adjust the stop up or down from the middle to fine tune the setting to the soil test for the field I'm liming. Lime applications don't need to be as exacting as herbicide spraying or planting seeds for instance, just get in the ballpark and it'll work just fine. This drop spreader is light enough that it can be pulled around by hand and can also be tipped up on end to save storage space. I read about a lot of guys agonizing about spreading lime, I'm not sure why more of them don't pick up one of these drop spreaders, they're cheap, readily available at auctions and the lime problem is solved.

 

[dogghr]

Thanks. I thot they were more for fert. My seed guy is 15 min away. Jst lot easier for him and his truck w a liming every 9 years on my place. But I may buy it for my SIL. Been one for sale right down the road. Thanks for info


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[Mennoniteman]

Thanks. I thot they were more for fert. My seed guy is 15 min away. Jst lot easier for him and his truck w a liming every 9 years on my place. But I may buy it for my SIL. Been one for sale right down the road. Thanks for info


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Yes, I talked to quite a few other people who thought that drop spreaders were made for fertilizer, so maybe it's my ignorance, maybe that's what they were originally manufactured for. But before the prevalence of lime hauling trucks the local farmers all used them for lime. And if you used them for fertilizer and didn't wash them out and oil them with every use they would rot out in several seasons. Using them for lime they will last almost forever even without doing any cleaning.

 

[MarkDarvin]

There are lots of words and concepts used to continue to push soil health and reduce inputs, as well as achieving higher outputs. I came across the concept of "pasture cropping." This is a neat watch. It's not all that different from other forms of innovative growing, but it does have it's niche.

The short version is, this guy has a warm season grass dominated pasture. So in the cool season when his pastures are dormant, he drills cool season cereals right into his pasture without killing it, and gets a crop.

I wonder if this same idea couldn't be used in clover, but in reverse. When clover is most vulnerable by me (heat of midsummer), what if I moved it hard, and pushed out a rate of brassicas, forage oats, and some rye and wheat? Could it knock it back enough that those things could take hold?

 

[Mennoniteman]

There are lots of words and concepts used to continue to push soil health and reduce inputs, as well as achieving higher outputs. I came across the concept of "pasture cropping." This is a neat watch. It's not all that different from other forms of innovative growing, but it does have it's niche.

The short version is, this guy has a warm season grass dominated pasture. So in the cool season when his pastures are dormant, he drills cool season cereals right into his pasture without killing it, and gets a crop.

I wonder if this same idea couldn't be used in clover, but in reverse. When clover is most vulnerable by me (heat of midsummer), what if I moved it hard, and pushed out a rate of brassicas, forage oats, and some rye and wheat? Could it knock it back enough that those things could take hold?

I do this with clover in cold weather. It would probably work in hot weather even if you didn't mow the clover hard, since it's probably dormant anyway. But a notill drill would be a must, and some hot weather crops. Cowpeas, millet, sunn hemp, and sunflowers come to mind. Rye and wheat may not take off in hot dry conditions.

 

[Jason Broom]

Jake Ehlinger, prominent habitat manager in southern Michigan, has promoted scalping clover mid-summer and drilling or even broadcasting other crops into it. This doesn't kill the clover, which bounces back in the fall and following spring.

 

[Okvet03]

I was finally able to get 3 tons of aglime on around 5-6 acres. The coop in Chandler stores the aglime outside so it has to dry before they can sell it. The spreader with lime was more than my truck could tow. Thank goodness for generous neighbors! There was a tighter portion I hit with pelleted lime. It won't do much for spring but hopefully I'll be in better shape for fall. I'll retest and reapply as needed. I rented an old tye no till drill form the conservation district. I didn't know until I picked it up that they couldn't really adjust depth on it. I'm hoping that even if the seed is planted a little deep it will still be able to grow through the sand. Ended up planting Soybeans, mung beans, cowpeas, sunflower, buckwheat, with a little okra, sorghum, millet and wheat. Got it in right before the rain. First time planting, if anything comes up I'll be happy! Time to get the chainsaw in to the timber and sample the local tick population.

 

[Mennoniteman]

I was finally able to get 3 tons of aglime on around 5-6 acres. The coop in Chandler stores the aglime outside so it has to dry before they can sell it. The spreader with lime was more than my truck could tow. Thank goodness for generous neighbors! There was a tighter portion I hit with pelleted lime. It won't do much for spring but hopefully I'll be in better shape for fall. I'll retest and reapply as needed. I rented an old tye no till drill form the conservation district. I didn't know until I picked it up that they couldn't really adjust depth on it. I hoping thaat even if the seed is planted a little deep it will still be able to grow through the sand. Ended up planting Soybeans, mung beans, cowpeas, sunflower, buckwheat, with a little okra, sorghum, millet and wheat. Got it in right before the rain. First time planting, if anything comes up I'll be happy! Time to get the chainsaw in to the timber and sample the local tick population.

At least you got a start. I'd like to see some pictures once it comes up! Careful with the ticks. I got the chainsaw out this spring and soon I had a tick, then two weeks later a case of lymes. 30 days on antibiotics.

 

[MarkDarvin]

Jake Ehlinger, prominent habitat manager in southern Michigan, has promoted scalping clover mid-summer and drilling or even broadcasting other crops into it. This doesn't kill the clover, which bounces back in the fall and following spring.

Very cool! I tried cutting mine early june to get some sorghum up through it. I think my clover was growing the fastest at the point, because I got exactly zero plants to come up. I did get a little jap millet through, but that was it.

I want to try late July/early August myself and see if I can get through with fall cereals and brassicas.

 

[Okvet03]

At least you got a start. I'd like to see some pictures once it comes up! Careful with the ticks. I got the chainsaw out this spring and soon I had a tick, then two weeks later a case of lymes. 30 days on antibiotics.

I got Tularemia from a tick in April of 2018. My joints aged 10 years in one week. Don't particularly care to sample any of the other tick borne diseases!

 

[pinetag]

Do y'all spray down with anything before heading into the woods? I use permethrin on my clothes/hat and let it dry for a day or so. I reapply it after every couple of washes and then spray something with deet on my arms and neck before walking in. So far this routine has done a great job keeping ticks away.

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[Laker]

Do y'all spray down with anything before heading into the woods? I use permethrin on my clothes/hat and let it dry for a day or so. I reapply it after every couple of washes and then spray something with deet on my arms and neck before walking in. So far this routine has done a great job keeping ticks away.

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This is my routine as well. I add in a head net when the flying bugs get moving too.

 

[Mennoniteman]

Do y'all spray down with anything before heading into the woods? I use permethrin on my clothes/hat and let it dry for a day or so. I reapply it after every couple of washes and then spray something with deet on my arms and neck before walking in. So far this routine has done a great job keeping ticks away.

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I get a little nervous about all those chemicals. My normal hunting routine is high boots, stay out of the tall grass and brush, and strip down and double check when coming back in. This system has never failed me, the time I get into trouble is when cutting wood and not remembering to check myself afterwards.

 

[Baker]

I use a thermocell when hunting but nothing on my body. I just take a close look in the evenings for ticks. Cheap vanilla scented lotion works to keep gnats away. I thought that was a hoax at first but like a thermocell works like magic.I hate all forms of poison.

 

[KSQ2]

Permethrin works awesome, and if you let it dry first it’s plenty safe. As far as mosquitoes, don’t forget the aloe! Didn’t somebody on here figure that out last year? Or was that a different forum?

 

[Drycreek]

I use a thermocell when hunting but nothing on my body. I just take a close look in the evenings for ticks. Cheap vanilla scented lotion works to keep gnats away. I thought that was a hoax at first but like a thermocell works like magic.I hate all forms of poison.

I don’t know if y’all have buffalo gnats in LA Rusty, but at times we have bunches of them in the river bottoms here. They will put a knot on you like no mosquito can. They hurt too ! We used Avon Skin-So-Soft cut with 50% water and kept a spray bottle on the dozers when we were working around the gnats. It kinda smells like vanilla so maybe that’s what kept them away. BTW, the gnats drink mosquito dope like it’s water !

 

[Baker]

I don’t know if y’all have buffalo gnats in LA Rusty, but at times we have bunches of them in the river bottoms here. They will put a knot on you like no mosquito can. They hurt too ! We used Avon Skin-So-Soft cut with 50% water and kept a spray bottle on the dozers when we were working around the gnats. It kinda smells like vanilla so maybe that’s what kept them away. BTW, the gnats drink mosquito dope like it’s water !

We have them and they are horrible right now and generally all summer. To me worse than mosquitos. Yes the Avon product works amazingly well but have also found the vanilla stuff at Dollar General. Folks around here buy the magnum large bottles.

 

[shawn cox]

I will tell you in south Georgia we have ticks almost year round lol and redbugs that love you. Best thing I have ever bought was some Rhino skin clothing. Have not had a tick or redbug bite when I wear it to the woods. No chemical spraying on my clothes so I can be more scent free in the woods. I just wish it would keep mosquitoes from biting you but it doesn't work for them. Yes it is an extra layer of clothes but they are super thin and fit tight to you. They get a little warmer during the summer but a lot of times I just wear shorts and no shirt over them. I love them. Really helps during bow season because I have the camo pair and as hot as it gets I just wear them and some camo shorts and I am way cooler that wearing regular camo clothes.

 

[BoneCrusher20]

I've been reading this in turkey blind this year. It is geared for agriculture, but I'm using lot of the information to translate to food plots as deer are my ag crop. good read if looking for regenerative plotting information. I'm pretty new to subject but thought this was great to have some context that goes step by step of process.

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[MarkDarvin]

I've been reading this in turkey blind this year. It is geared for agriculture, but I'm using lot of the information to translate to food plots as deer are my ag crop. good read if looking for regenerative plotting information. I'm pretty new to subject but thought this was great to have some context that goes step by step of process.
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That is a great book to set a framework for the rest of the learnings. You made a good choice.