Hoosierhunting
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Gabe Browns tedtalks are outstanding too, I’m terms of convincing you to try a different path.
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Regenerative Plotting
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jlane35
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I read this thread tonight. A lot of it was way over my head. But the main thing I got from this was bare dirt isn’t good and I’ve had lots of bare dirt throughout the years. I’m going to start improving my land for all wildlife/insects/soil. This was very inspiring.
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google up Keith Berns on You Tube and his lecture on Carbonomics
a great primer on soil biology and the regenerative ag movement
bill
Jason Snavely talks about regen ag and wildlife plots. He's in the Green Cover Seed 6th Soil Resource Guide 6th edition, and collaborates with some of the folks mentioned here. He hosts a podcast called the Droptine podcast, and owns the Droptine seed company. He sells a series of regenerative plot mixes called Reload. They're a bit pricey. I've listened to a few of his podcasts, and they're definitely several steps above the "bubba experts" on Youtube. A great book to read is Gabe Brown's "Dirt to soil". It's a very easy read and enlightening, in addition to the other stuff mentioned. It's worth the $10.
BoneCrusher20
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His podcast are very informative...i've listened to them a few times over. Wish he put out more content as seems like he is an every other month podcaster.
catscratch
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Sounds like I need to put this guy's podcast on and go for a long run or two.
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MarkDarvin
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The regen movement is really kicking into high gear and it's fun to tag along and even try some stuff on your own. We get to try all of it because we don't need to harvest, and for the most part, aren't constrained by profit motives. One by one, regen is beginning to crack the code on "unintended plants", mud, crust, compaction, drought, bugs, fertility, costs, time, and more.
I've been playing with the Green Cover Seed SmartMix calculator to mix up blends for the seed we have, and what I've found cheap recently. I'm interested in trying some of GSC's wildlife blends, but the shipping isn't the best. One of these days I'd love to find a few people in PA to put together an order to ship a pallet of 50 lb bags.
MarkDarvin
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How many plant nutrients can you name that you cannot buy easily?
jlane35
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So this is the mix just referred to. I have a question, just so I can learn better. If I took these seed types and bought them from my local seed store. Could I broadcast all of these into a field from a previous years growth lay the thatch over. Correct me if I’m wrong on this part bc I don’t think there are any plants that will grow the following spring in this mix. I would broadcast a rye or wheat into it come late fall? This way I have a thatch for the next years planting.
DocHolladay
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Yes. You could get them to mix the seed for you and then plant all at once. Then on the fall, you would plant your winter blend.
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bowhunt160bucks
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If you buy birdseed you got half the mix for $10/bag
catscratch
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I do not like mixing and broadcasting different sized seeds. Small seeds feed through really quick if you have to open it up for large seed. I've had problems.
I also won't use bird seed. I fight too many invasives to take a chance on uncertified seed. Introducing an invasive can be a lifetime sentence.
To each their own, just giving my opinion.
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I also won't use bird seed. I fight too many invasives to take a chance on uncertified seed. Introducing an invasive can be a lifetime sentence.
To each their own, just giving my opinion.
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MarkDarvin
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Learned something new this spring.
I’ve got a small plot raise/expansion that I made from a water hole dig. It was one big low spot that was too shallow to hold water, and too low to dry out for a trail or plot.
What I brought up was smear clay. Good pH but low OM and just heavy low biology soil. I put down an 800 lb/ac gypsum rate to begin a calcium build. This may shock you, but this isn’t doing well just yet.
The old trail is under this spot. It hasn’t been driven on since it was made, but there is a line. Makes me wonder if the roots made it through the spoils and down to the original soil already.
Then I’ve got an edge that also took full from the dig, but was never driven on. The mix took far better there, as well as the spring over seeding. The learning, is that flax can carve out a spot in clover, both new seeding...
And In my best clover that is a few years old, and chokes out nearly everything else. The existing plot got about 2 solo cups spread on a half acre.
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I’ve got a small plot raise/expansion that I made from a water hole dig. It was one big low spot that was too shallow to hold water, and too low to dry out for a trail or plot.
What I brought up was smear clay. Good pH but low OM and just heavy low biology soil. I put down an 800 lb/ac gypsum rate to begin a calcium build. This may shock you, but this isn’t doing well just yet.
The old trail is under this spot. It hasn’t been driven on since it was made, but there is a line. Makes me wonder if the roots made it through the spoils and down to the original soil already.
Then I’ve got an edge that also took full from the dig, but was never driven on. The mix took far better there, as well as the spring over seeding. The learning, is that flax can carve out a spot in clover, both new seeding...
And In my best clover that is a few years old, and chokes out nearly everything else. The existing plot got about 2 solo cups spread on a half acre.
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MarkDarvin
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Despite it looking sickly and stunted, I'm glad I've got a spot like this to work on. It's much easier to deal in virgin ground that hasn't had new issues brought in and live topsoil to work with. In hindsight, I wish I'd have covered it with rye in the fall, but I went with wheat and oats instead. I've got a similar project on tap for this summer in another spot and will be putting in a completely different cover to begin.
