If I read this right, you're planting rye at 100#/ac. and clover. Any problems with the rye suppressing the clover in the spring at that rate?
A Soil Test
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If I read this right, you're planting rye at 100#/ac. and clover. Any problems with the rye suppressing the clover in the spring at that rate?
I'm still sore about what QDMA did as well.
As far as the beating....I guess I'm just a gluten for punishment lol!.....You should see some of the responses I've gotten on my home state site Aldeer......Wheeeeew!
I know its old news but I had a lengthy conversation with Brian Murphy shortly after they nuked the forum. We have many common friends and I expressed my feelings as well as the feelings of many that resented what happened. I minced no words. I told him I thought QDMA was being hypocritical with many of their stances and was burning unnecessary bridges. He did confess that while they continued to believe canceling the forum was an appropriate business decision....controlling the message...that they did a horrible job of execution.
just some trivia for your weekend reading.
My seed arrived this week as well. Rye, oats, wheat, crimson clover, arrowhead clover, durana clover, chicory, radish, and Austrian winter peas. All will be no till drilled in a month or so. I love getting fall plots in the ground.
Will you fertilize yours at all?
I forgot to mention the chicory .
No fertilizer. I'm going to stay the course one more fall. In the big fields my plan is to rotate to straight soybeans next spring and have already soil tested confirming nothing required. I'm drilling 120 lbs rye per acre to try and get a thick enough thatch where I don't have to spray next springs rotation to the beans. TBD.
YES, I love this time of year!
Crimson n' Camo
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It's right on the edge of being too thick. You can mow in the spring after the rye has bolted to help thin it some or you could spray it to terminate it if you wanted to. I plant at a higher rate because I get a bunch of deer that move in later in the winter and really put a lot of grazing pressure on my field. I've expanded this year and have around 7 acres planted instead of 2 1/2 so we'll see how things change in response. Most of the areas are planted at a lighter rate than my main field.
Mennoniteman
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Wow that's a lot of seed! How wide is your notill drill in the back? Do you have pictures of it?
Chainsaw
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It definitely was a horrible execution. I learned a lot from the old forum and am grateful for the learning and connections it gave to me. If the forums were a mistake it was the most helpful mistake I have ever seen. Learnings from the forum were a huge turning point in my enjoyment of deer hunting. I read the QDMA e-mails and links, though few links even work; none of it compares to helpfulness of the many knowledgeable people from the old forum. This forum has now grown to the stage and even beyond what the old forum was. It is a shame that QDMA created and then killed something that was so helpful to so many of us. Their new presentations have failed to replace what was.
Back on the rye, 30 acres of it planted in mid August fed our deer through the winter and resulted in the most browse left ever after a winter.
rlb165
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Chainsaw, for the sake of brevity, let me just say that I learned a lot from your "Daytime Deer Population" thread on the old forum. In fact, much of my current habitat strategy is what I've come to think of as "Chainsaw's Monster-Only Plan". I hope that makes sense.
For a long time, I purposely avoided the QDMA Forum. I was frustrated by the "Shoot More Does" message that was so prevalent a few years ago, and I just assumed that 99% of a QDMA Forum's content would be more of that. It wasn't, and I learned a lot there.
I expect to learn a lot more here though, where there's no Association, Department, or Agency influencing the conversation.
Back to soil stuff. In July, I posted pictures of ragweed being browsed hard on a dirt pile created when I dug a small waterhole. The other day, I planted some pinto beans in and around some Throw n' Mow plots. I planted some of the beans in a dirt pile I made when I buried a Rubbermaid tank in the ground. Some beans were inoculated and some weren't, and I wanted to see how much of a difference that made. I checked them this morning and:
Here are pictures of beans planted the same day, all within a few yards of the dirt pile beans:
These beans are basically untouched.
So, now we know that deer prefer ragweed and pinto beans that are growing in recently formed dirt piles.
It seems like there should be something that we can do with that knowledge.
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For a long time, I purposely avoided the QDMA Forum. I was frustrated by the "Shoot More Does" message that was so prevalent a few years ago, and I just assumed that 99% of a QDMA Forum's content would be more of that. It wasn't, and I learned a lot there.
I expect to learn a lot more here though, where there's no Association, Department, or Agency influencing the conversation.
Back to soil stuff. In July, I posted pictures of ragweed being browsed hard on a dirt pile created when I dug a small waterhole. The other day, I planted some pinto beans in and around some Throw n' Mow plots. I planted some of the beans in a dirt pile I made when I buried a Rubbermaid tank in the ground. Some beans were inoculated and some weren't, and I wanted to see how much of a difference that made. I checked them this morning and:
Here are pictures of beans planted the same day, all within a few yards of the dirt pile beans:
These beans are basically untouched.
So, now we know that deer prefer ragweed and pinto beans that are growing in recently formed dirt piles.
It seems like there should be something that we can do with that knowledge.
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Crimson n' Camo
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Cereal rye, turnips, clover............Grass, broadleaf, legume
Here are pictures of beans planted the same day, all within a few yards of the dirt pile beans:
These beans are basically untouched.
So, now we know that deer prefer ragweed and pinto beans that are growing in recently formed dirt piles.
It seems like there should be something that we can do with that knowledge.
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Comparing the top picture with the bottom, I wonder if the brush in the bottom picture discouraged browsing.
Eugene
rlb165
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That looks great Crimson n' Camo.Cereal rye, turnips, clover............Grass, broadleaf, legume
Have you ever experimented with putting out a mix with even more species? That is something I am currently trying, but it is too early in the game to tell if it's going to make a difference or not.
Crimson n' Camo
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Thanks!.....Not on a winter plot. This is about as diverse as I've gotten. I did add some winter peas one year but that was back before things were this fertile. They did ok though.
Crimson n' Camo
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This is an old rotting sweetgum stump where the soil is rich in organic matter………
If we look at the soil in this area then we see a picture of what we are trying to recreate. See how the soil is in the form of “soil aggregates”……..that is how you achieve proper water infiltration and O2 exchange. The soil is not one compressed wad…..there’s pore space between aggregates.
If we look at the soil in this area then we see a picture of what we are trying to recreate. See how the soil is in the form of “soil aggregates”……..that is how you achieve proper water infiltration and O2 exchange. The soil is not one compressed wad…..there’s pore space between aggregates.
Chipdasqrrl
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You inspired me to do a small test throw & mow Mammoth Red Clover plot about 6 weeks ago. It got good germination, but then it suffered 3 weeks without rain and 80+ temps. Have you experienced conditions like this with throw & mow? Here's how it looked when I checked it 3 weeks ago:
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Crimson n' Camo
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That awesome man! It's just hard to say one way or the other though whether your clover will make it. What I can say is that keeping the soil surface covered with thatch gives you the best chance of holding any moisture in the soil.
Crimson n' Camo
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Update.......Field is doing well. Went through a little dry spell for a couple weeks but Nate dropped several inches of rain earlier in the week. Starting to get some nice growth now........
Crimson n' Camo
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Another update..........
