Virginia Muzzleloader Season upon us

yoderjac

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The muzzleloader season is sneaking up on me. My last archery hunt was a few days ago. I then headed to PA to visit my mom. They were calling for more rain today so I'm not archery hunting. Each year our neighbor, who turned a chunk of old silo into a bar, has a Halloween event with a hay ride, complete with monsters, for the kids. I'm committed to helping setup for that tomorrow. The event is on Saturday evening, opening day of muzzleloader. I'll probably get out for an hour or two in the morning.

I fouled the smokeless muzzleloader this after noon and checked out the Eliminator 6 scope. I was pleasantly surprised that the battery was full strength. Burris also makes the OracleX on my crossbow. For some reason, they don't have an off switch for it. You push a button on the scope to activate it, but instead of turning off, it goes to sleep and for some reason continues to consume power. Each season, so far, I've had to change the battery at the beginning of the season. Fortunately, it has non-volatile memory and doesn't lose settings.

Fortunately, last season at the end of Muzzleloader, I got all the setup done for this year. So, the only thing I had to do today was foul the barrel.
 
I only hunted one hour opening morning as I had agreed to help setup for a Halloween party that night. I missed a doe. I sat for an hour or so on Sunday evening. Had a truck drive through and spook some deer about sunset. They were back out but about 350 yards away at the end of shooting time. I messed up this morning with the time change and my alarm when off an hour late. I sat for a bit but saw nothing. This evening I passed on two does. First shot opportunity was 244 yards, too long for the lighting and conditions. The second one was 107 yards, but it was a minute or two before the end of legal shooting hours and I didn't like the shot in light that low. Tomorrow is another day...
 
What we think we see is not always reality!

There were deer everywhere around me before shooting hours. I was using my barn as a blind. I had a spike feeding 5 yards in front of me. By legal shooting time, he had move to about 40 yards, but I had my eye on a nice buck bedded about 100 yards away. When he stood up I could tell he had a full rack, but I could not size it through the binoculars in the low light. He walked along a wood line and into the woods before I could get on him with a comfortable shot. Here he is:


About the time he left, I had several does come out of the woods pretty far away. I was just starting to get better light. I used the Eliminator and ranged one of the does at 244 yards. I had enough light, it is supposed to be a 300 yard smokeless muzzleloader, she was in the middle of the field, I had shooting bags as a rest, so I decided to take the shot.

Total Miss! I watched her bound off into the woods white tail held high. I ran a dry patch down the barrel and cussed at myself a little for taking the shot. I had made a 200 yard shot at the range last year. Once I calmed down, I did the responsible thing, instead of continuing to hunt, I headed out to the impact site to make sure there was no blood. I found none. From there I headed to the corner of the field where I last saw her bounding into the woods. No blood.

I decided that If I did hit her, I obviously didn't know where, so rather than entering the woods, I figured I'd head back and wait. When I got back, I decided to check the security camera footage. What I saw, or thought I saw, was completely wrong.


The video above shows what really happened. I watched the wrong deer bound into the woods. I knocked my deer to the ground. She got up and tried to run off, clearly injured, but at that distance, the video was so grainy, it was hard to tell where she went. The video shows the shot from two different cameras. The first camera is about 20' to my left and the other is about 40' to my right. The deer was in the overlap of the camera FOVs. I edited the videos and zoomed in on the deer.

With the video evidence, I headed back out to look for her. Again I went to where I thought the impact site was, no blood. The woods surround the field is pretty open here and she was clearly not in the field. I had used my FLIR to scan the field on the earlier search. I decided to walk a grid pattern in the woods. It took me about 20 minutes to find her.

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The shot was exactly where I had aimed! The entry was on the other side of the deer about 2" further back. I back trailed her to the field, and there was a good blood trail. Either it took her a while to start bleeding, or, more likely, I was wrong about where I thought the impact site was.

Either way, she was a good mature doe for our area. Her live weight was 100 lbs and dressed was 78. This was the longest shot I've taken with the SML and it really helped build my confidence.
 
Good shooting Jack ! I was handgun hunting yesterday afternoon before the wind got squirrely and saw a buck I wanted to take out. He has a normal left side but a goobered up right, and worse than that, there are two of them exactly alike. One looks to be a year older than the other, but both or either needs to be gone. He only came close enough once and his vitals were behind a tree until he turned and walked directly away from me. Maybe another time !IMG_0931.jpeg
 
Good shooting Jack ! I was handgun hunting yesterday afternoon before the wind got squirrely and saw a buck I wanted to take out. He has a normal left side but a goobered up right, and worse than that, there are two of them exactly alike. One looks to be a year older than the other, but both or either needs to be gone. He only came close enough once and his vitals were behind a tree until he turned and walked directly away from me. Maybe another time !View attachment 30577
Yep, there is always another day. We had a wedding yesterday so I could not hunt. I reviewed camera footage and deer were everywhere and many chip shots. What a difference a day makes. Absolutely nothing moving today.
 
It has been an odd an interesting week. I've had a bunch of stuff going on with the wedding and such, so when I've had time, I've been hunting from the barn for an hour or so in both the morning and evening rather than going to the farm. I've been reviewing video footage. I've picked exactly the wrong days to hunt. Every time I'm too busy, there are deer just a chip shot away ready for harvest. Every time I've hunted this week, I've seen nothing even close to being in range. Oh well, tomorrow is another day.

Today was butchering day. We have a bunch of ground left over from last year, so we plan to make extruded jerky out if it. So, today, we decided not to do the grinding. We took out the frozen ground to thaw. We will grind and freeze the fresh grind meat and grind and extrude the jerky ground the same day later in the week.

By the way, my brother-in-law got a new knife sharpener and loves it, so I picked on up and got a chance to use it today. It is a
Brod & Taylor VG2 Professional Knife Sharpener. I understand why he likes it. Very fast to use and gives me a nice sharp blade. It's not cheap, but I recommend it. I got the Stainless version which is a bit more expensive, but I'm sure the other version works just as well. Same design.

For my older knives, I've just been using an old Chef's Choice grinding type sharpener. It works fine for our every day knives but does not give me as sharp of an edge as sharpening by hand with a set of stones. I was sharpening my skinning knife and butchering knife by hand. Not any more. I'll be using this sharpener.
 
TALK ABOUT ROOKIE SCREWUPS!

But I've got to own up to my mistakes. I shot a deer this morning and could not find it. It took me a while to figure out what the screw up was. The deer took off like a good hit, I marked the spot where it entered the woods. It was only a 50 yard shot and the deer had a 100 yard run before entering the woods. There was no blood at the impact site or where it entered the woods. The woods is open hardwoods and I scoured it for the deer using my FLIR. Nothing. I spent 2 1/2 hours looking for it this morning and then another hour and a half this afternoon with no luck.

What the heck happened? I finally figured out my rookie mistake. I have a smokeless muzzleloader with a muzzle brake. Because of the muzzle break, you can't just pour powder down it. You either need to remove the brake each time you load it or use a specially designed loading funnel. I opt for the latter. I found the funnel sitting about 5' in front of the muzzleloader. I had forgotten to remove it from the barrel after loading. You can't see it in the scope. So I'm sure it was like throwing a knuckle ball at that deer. Who knows where I actually hit it. Hopefully, it was not a mortal wound.
 
If the funnel was still in the barrell, did you even push a bullet in? Very entertaining post!
I'm not sure how familiar you are with SMLs, but the bullet is loaded through the funnel. And, of course, they won't fire without the bullet.
 
I went to the farm this afternoon and filled in the trench (details in this thread: Grading Tips) I had planned to take my SML and hunt this afternoon, but that lost deer from this morning was still bugging me, so I headed back to the retirement property and searched for a couple more hours. No luck.

Here are some more details about that hunt. The deer was only 50 yards away. It was just after first shooting light when I took the shot. Because the deer was so close, I did not use any ranging with the scope, so I was just using the black crosshairs. Recently, I've had some vision issues so maybe that plays in in the low light. Perhaps I was not looking at the crosshairs like I thought when I fired. Kaboom. The deer just stood there. I expected it to drop any moment. It completely ignored the shot and went back to feeding.

I quickly reloaded (too quickly and left the funnel in the muzzle before taking the second shot. The deer jumped like it was hit and took off full speed. Once I figured out that I had left the funnel in the muzzle, I can easily understand how I had a bad hit or miss with that shot. However, this does not explain the first shot. It must have been a clean miss since the deer ignored it.

So, I was starting to get concerned about my setup. I know SMLs are notorious for killing scopes. I was wondering if maybe the Eliminator 6 internals had failed. Externally it was tight.

I hunted tonight from the barn at my retirement property where I hunted this morning. I had a small herd of does come into the field. There was plenty of light. I ranged one with the Eliminator and it was right at 100 yards. So now I had an led at the crosshairs (since I'm sighted in at 100 yards). I took the shot. The doe fell and then scrambled back to her feet and started running. The other deer scattered and then regrouped right where she was standing when I shot her.


She ran through a thin strip of cover. I could not see if she made it into the woods or not from my position. There were deer still in the field. I reloaded and probably could have shot another, but without knowing her status, I decided to pass. I also figured one was enough to deal with tonight. I headed in and looked at camera footage. The doe was laying down on the other side of the cover strip. About 15 minutes after the video ends her head goes down. The other deer were still in the field, so I waited an hour to get her, but the deer were still out. In fact deer had gathered around her at one point. Interesting behavior.

The post-mortem showed the bullet hit exactly where I aimed. Entry was righ behind the shoulder and exit destroyed the far shoulder and broke the far front leg. So now I know the gun is shooting fine. The last deer at 244 yards plus tonight's deer tell me the gun and scope are fine.
 
I've been shooting a smokeless ML for over a decade, although I only archery hunt now. Not all are loaded through a funnel. For someone that is always offering pointers to everyone else, let me offer one for you. Multiple times in the last few weeks, you have missed or wounded deer. You always bring up a multitude of issues with the weapons that could have caused the mishap(s), yet rather than check the weapon you choose to take another shot at an animal. Not a very ethical way of checking your weapon.
 
I've been shooting a smokeless ML for over a decade, although I only archery hunt now. Not all are loaded through a funnel. For someone that is always offering pointers to everyone else, let me offer one for you. Multiple times in the last few weeks, you have missed or wounded deer. You always bring up a multitude of issues with the weapons that could have caused the mishap(s), yet rather than check the weapon you choose to take another shot at an animal. Not a very ethical way of checking your weapon.

As far as I know, all SMLs with a muzzle brake are either loaded with a funnel or the brake is removed to load them. An important point of forums like this is for us to share experiences, good and bad. We all make mistakes and learn from them. When we miss a deer or have a bad hit, we rarely have all of the information we would like for decision making. Deciding when to go back to the range to validate a weapon is based on a multitude of factors and using our judgement to weigh different possible causes of the failed shot. Based on my previous experience with this weapon, and knowing the components used to build it, I assessed an internal scope failure as possible, but very unlikely.

I'm very happy with the ethical choices I've made. Most of us make mistakes, but few of us share them publicly. Any suggestions I offer to others, either come for what I've learned from others, or mistakes I've made myself. I sleep well at night and am as willing to share my failures as much as my successes if I believe folks can benefit from them.
 
I know @swat1018 likes to ride me, and I don't feel any need to justify myself to him, he does raise a valid concern. As I sat in the barn watching for deer that didn't show up until it was too late to shoot, I contemplated the question. Do we go back to the range after every miss or bad hit? Actually, for some, depending on their location, range access, and time availability, the answer may be "Yes". There is nothing wrong with that, but for most of us, it is more complicated. Even when I'm at the range trying to shoot groups and have plenty of time to focus on shooting form, and breath control, every now an then, I'll have a flyer. I typically know this even before I look at the target. Something didn't feel right about the shot. Flyers at the range may only be a matter of a few inches off the group, but things are magnified considerably in field conditions.

So, I'll use my missed shot as an example. Why did I feel confident enough to hunt without going back to the range. While equipment failure was certainly possible, why did I deem it unlikely. First, there was a wide range of possibilities that either individually, or in combination, that could contribute to the missed shot.

What do I think was the most likely contributor? My vision. About 5 years ago, I got Pigment Epithelial Detachment (PED) in my right eye. It tore the retina. They tried first to laser it but that failed so I ended up having a cryopexy. This year, I had PED in my left eye. It did not tear the retina this time, but a blood vessel broke. I had floaters from this in the left eye, and then, just coincidently, I got a large floater in my right eye. Under normal conditions, the only real issue I have is with something fast moving like a pickleball. Given the floater in my right eye, the low light at the time, the less than optimal light transmission of the scope, and black reticle, it is quite possible I was not actually using the reticle.

Of course, there are all the normal potential issues with a muzzleloader. I'm pretty finicky about measuring powder. I use a powder dispenser to throw a powder load into a vial, but I tare the vial and weigh the powder, and if it is not within a couple tenths of a grain, I redo it. But of course, there is always room for a mistake there. Did I get all the powder into the funnel when loading? Most likely. Even though I use a sizing die, could have it been bumped the last time I sized bullets? It seemed like the normal fit when I loaded it. Did I seat it properly?

Then you have shooting issues. Even though I was at a bench with bags, did I flinch? Was my adrenaline rushing too much?

While SMLs are notorious for killing scopes, why did I feel that was unlikely? When I first got the muzzleloader, I put a Leupold VX 6 on it with QR rings. During my first season, I dropped the gun and one of the QL leavers got bumped. This caused the gun to spray. Once I found the issue and locked the leaver back down, it was fine. Since I really don't travel to hunt, I really don't need QL rings for any reason. So, when I got the Burris Eliminator 6, I bought heavy duty rings from Hankins. These are monster rings that have 3 torx screws on each side of each ring. It is rock solid. An internal scope failure was possible, but, most of the SML scope killer guns are lighter bolt action guns shooting hotter loads at higher speeds than my Encore. The Hannkins built Encore has a very heavy barrel and wooden stock and forearm. It is by far, my heaviest Encore.

The gun was at the range before the season. After that, it rode in a hard case home and has been sitting in bags on my bench since. So, I see no chance of physical damage. A week or so prior, the firearm and scope were verified with the 244 yard shot that was spot on.

This is just an example of the kind of information that goes into a decision whether to revalidate equipment at the range. Had the next shot, 100 yards at the doe, not been spot on, I defiantly would be headed ot the range.

I hope this stimulates thought in some of the new folks and they find it useful.
 
TALK ABOUT ROOKIE SCREWUPS!

But I've got to own up to my mistakes. I shot a deer this morning and could not find it. It took me a while to figure out what the screw up was. The deer took off like a good hit, I marked the spot where it entered the woods. It was only a 50 yard shot and the deer had a 100 yard run before entering the woods. There was no blood at the impact site or where it entered the woods. The woods is open hardwoods and I scoured it for the deer using my FLIR. Nothing. I spent 2 1/2 hours looking for it this morning and then another hour and a half this afternoon with no luck.

What the heck happened? I finally figured out my rookie mistake. I have a smokeless muzzleloader with a muzzle brake. Because of the muzzle break, you can't just pour powder down it. You either need to remove the brake each time you load it or use a specially designed loading funnel. I opt for the latter. I found the funnel sitting about 5' in front of the muzzleloader. I had forgotten to remove it from the barrel after loading. You can't see it in the scope. So I'm sure it was like throwing a knuckle ball at that deer. Who knows where I actually hit it. Hopefully, it was not a mortal wound.
Here is the video of this screw-up:


Thanks to someone on Hank's message board, I went back and looked at this video frame by frame. At is turns out, I feel much better now knowing I did not mortally wound the deer.

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1 - The frame just before bullet impact
2 - Bullet Impact Frame
3 - One frame after bullet impact as deer recoils
4 - Two frames after bullet impact and deer begins to jump

The bullet impact was to the ground near the front foot causing debris to fly up causing the jump reaction.
 
I've been hunting this same place for an hour or so most morning and evenings this week. Our modern firearm season came in on Saturday but I'm still using the SML. I've see deer most days for a few minutes at the very beginning or end of legal shooting hours. They were all out of range for the amount of available light and I have not had a shot I liked.

I misplaced my DefendEars which is one reason I've been hunting here. There is no issue with me wearing ear muff style hearing protection as everything is visual here. I finally found my DefendEars today! I think I may head to the farm next week with my Encore .300 Win Mag. It has a J.P. Howitzer brake on it and you really don't want to shoot it without hearing protection. The defend ears will let me hear what is going on while giving protection from that muzzle blast (presuming I get a shot 😊)
 
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