Throw N Mow thread...

[OkieKubota]

Dedicating this thread to all of the folks who do the throw N Mow method...

I have both throw n mow, and traditional tillage plots side by side on one of our properties. I got the throw N Mow done last Saturday and as soon as I got it done we got almost 1/2" of rain on it but it was extremely dry before that. I had sprayed it 2 weeks prior with GLY but I still noticed quite a bit of green in it that didn't look terribly sickly. I limed and then broadcasted the seed and then brushhogged down over it as low as I could without beating rock with the blades...

I didn't get my tilled ground planted until the next day around noon and the ground was extremely dusty when I put seed down and packed. I planted WR, PTT, and Radishes in the throw n mow area and Planted WW, WR, sunflower, and Radishes in the tilled areas...

We have not had any rain at all since I planted the tilled area so my throw n mow should be ahead of the curve with the little bit of rain we got the day before but the seed with no rain in the tilled area is has firm soil contact. Seeding rate on my spreader was the same for both areas.

I know others are well ahead of me on their Throw N Mow for this year and others behind so I am curious how it is working out for the folks who have already gotten it established?

 

[Triple C]

Just sprayed gly last week. Gonna wait a few weeks and do a couple of throw and mow plots and a couple of tilled plots. This will be an interesting thread to follow. Last year we did a modified throw and mow with good results. We have a Plotmaster 600 that has a seed box behind the harrows and a cultipacker behind to seed box. (Bought it in 2011 when I bought property). We made a single pass thru the sprayed fields and had the harrows set with the least amount of angle. Just enough to break the ground a little. Seed dropped from seed box into the standing stubble and settled in the disc openings with a little soil contact. Then came behind that and mowed the fields. Pretty good results!

 

[dogdoc]

i'm waiting till labor day to plant. I have one area that I sprayed today with cleth that already has some clover mixed in. Going to do a little throw and mow on this plot. It had quite a bit of grass so going to over seed a little more clover along with some wheat and rape.

todd

 

[OkieKubota]

With all the stuff I have going on I don't have the luxury of picking a good weekend in advance to plant. I am in the running around like a chicken with my head cut off mode right now...2 jobs and still trying to get things moved. We are moving a storage building this Saturday AM and then I have 2 properties to brushhog for customers. I am supposed to start a big job next week that will tie my tractor up for awhile but I am going to have to put it off until these plots are in but I am awaiting elusive rain to soften rock hard flint rock packed type of soil...

For some reason when I overseed clover I never see any of the stuff come in. I can have bare spots I want to fill in and the only thing that ever fills them in is more clover. I have tried PTT, Radishes, WW, and WR all to no avail...

Having plots in a crow roost fly zone doesn't help either

 

[ncstewart]

I did my first attempt at throw in mow this year so excited to see how it works. I did plant early for my area but it's the only time I could and it's been a really wet August so we will see. It's a really thick thatch layer due to field has not been mowed this year. I will try and take pics next time I check on it.

Sprayed gly July 30
Sprayed gly Aug 13
Mowed and planted Aug 21
Plot 1 is about 2 acres and plot 2 is about 1 1/2 acres.
Plot 1 has #100 each oats and rye. Plot 2 has #20 brassica mix.




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[ALwoodsman]

i'm waiting till labor day to plant. I have one area that I sprayed today with cleth that already has some clover mixed in. Going to do a little throw and mow on this plot. It had quite a bit of grass so going to over seed a little more clover along with some wheat and rape.

todd

Your situation sounds exactly like mine. I am going to give it a try this year too.

 

[blumsden]

Ncstewar,t. 200# of grain on 2 acres sounds lite to me, are you going to come back and overseed with anything else?

 

[ncstewart]

Ncstewar,t. 200# of grain on 2 acres sounds lite to me, are you going to come back and overseed with anything else?

I wasn't planning on it but if that is light then I will. I new to all this so just trying to learn. What seed rate for grains do you use?


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[blumsden]

I would overseed with some clover and brassica. Both rye and oats are 100lbs/acre, but i always plant clover and some brassica's with mine. If i was only planting cereal grains, which i don't, i would use 150lbs each.

 

[ncstewart]

I was gonna seed clover but ended up not because there was tons of clover already growing in this plot. I may go back and toss some clover and another 100lbs of rye/oats. With having a thick thatch later you think there is any chance of getting much of it up tho?


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[blumsden]

Oh, i didn't know there was already clover growing, but yes small clover and brassica seeds have no problem making it thru thatch. I wouldn't over seed any more grains. See how thick its coming in and you can always go with some clover or brassica.

 

[timrod]

I see where a lot of guys spray gly weeks before planting. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I have always sprayed first thing in the morning, waited about four hours for the gly to take affect, then seed and mow immediately. I have always had great results doing this. Why do you guys spray early? Maybe there's a key ingredient that I'm missing by doing it all in one day. I'm always on a time crunch, so multiple trips to the farm just wouldn't be feasible.

 

[blumsden]

People spray in advance because if you thatch is really thick, you want to thin it out some before planting. Its all about how thick the standing vegetation is.

 

[ncstewart]

This is my first time but I sprayed really early to thin out my field. I couldn't get a tractor to mow at that time so I just sprayed. It hadn't been mowed all year and lots of briars and blackberries so just wanted to try and thin it out some. I'm not sure I done it the right way but hopefully I will get some decent plots.
I'm actually worried now tho that there was to much thatch that had fell on its own from the first spray and that I didn't get good soil contact.

I plan on doing buckwheat next spring so hopefully my plot won't get so bad. I am planning on doing the spray and plant/mow all in one day from here on out. I'm all about trying to keep thing stupid simple.



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[Rickey]

I finally sprayed yesterday (and actually got a little welding done for the cultipacker I am building). Hopefully I can throw and now in a couple weeks. Like others here, time has not been on my side. 6-12s is ruthless and when off I don't want to do anything other than sleep or sit in the recliner.

 

[catscratch]

I see where a lot of guys spray gly weeks before planting. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I have always sprayed first thing in the morning, waited about four hours for the gly to take affect, then seed and mow immediately. I have always had great results doing this. Why do you guys spray early? Maybe there's a key ingredient that I'm missing by doing it all in one day. I'm always on a time crunch, so multiple trips to the farm just wouldn't be feasible.

I tend to miss a spot or two when spraying, or just have the standing veg so thick that I don't get everything killed (stuff growing under the taller layer). So for me it insures that I don't end up planting with a bunch of grass/weeds that didn't get sprayed, and it helps with mowing to have it dead first.

 

[Rickey]

The grass was so high when I sprayed this weekend most of it laid over. I probably will not get a good kill because of it but some dead is better than no dead. I was wanting a thick thatch over my seed since I am going throw and mow. My pull behind sprayer works good but I think I may need to buy some bigger tires for it to get a wider coverage. The tips are to low to the ground in the thicker stuff. I am sure to have strips still alive. Live and learn.

 

[ncstewart]

I used a yard sprayer but rigged it up on the tailgate of my truck. Not the best setup but what I had and seemed to work really well actually.
I check my plots yesterday and the rye and oats are going. Im happy the method worked but afraid that's it's gonna get to big and the deer gonna stop using it.
The brassica plot I think is gonna turn out and timing on it I think will be good.



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[Scott44]

A couple pics of my throw and mow cereal grains this year. This plot was brassicas last year, I frost seeded some clover into it earlier this spring. The cereal mix was rye, oats, peas, sunflowers, red clover, hairy vetch and radishes.

Plot before broadcasting mix into 8/4



Brush hog left it windrowed so I took the lawn mower back and evened it out.





Pics this A.M., apparently there was more clover in there than I thought when I mowed it.

 

[Fish]

About 8 weeks ago I did a "Throw and Grow" with some left over Egyptian wheat seed I had laying around. You can find more pics in the Egyptian wheat thread. My method? Spray fescue and weeds from a hard rocky roadbed. Seed. Fertilize. and watch rains pound over the next two months, which surely was the greatest benefit to this seeding.

About 4-6 weeks into it....





The Thatch.......




Just a few days ago. About 8 weeks from seeding.