Shopping for an AR

[massey]

If you’re anything like me, you’ll blow through 500 rounds in 2 hours at the range


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[j-bird]

If you’re anything like me, you’ll blow through 500 rounds in 2 hours at the range


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I HAVE figured out that it's a lot easier & faster to empty those mags than it is to load them!! Let me get my first 1,000 rounds and we will see how it goes. I hardly ever have more than 100 rounds of anything (maybe, shot shells and 22LR)...but this year taught me that I need to buy when I can. Gun ain't much use without ammo...

 

[badgerfowl]

I HAVE figured out that it's a lot easier & faster to empty those mags than it is to load them!! Let me get my first 1,000 rounds and we will see how it goes. I hardly ever have more than 100 rounds of anything (maybe, shot shells and 22LR)...but this year taught me that I need to buy when I can. Gun ain't much use without ammo...

Get a speed loader if you haven’t yet. My starter kit consisted of 7 mags and 600 rounds. Burned thru two mags the first time shooting it. Real quick. But damn was it fun.

 

[DocHolladay]

The next jump is a can, whether it is a form 4(store bought) or a form 1(you build it). I have been thinking about paying the tax on a form 1. It’s hard to get the supplies to build them currently, but it is taking 25-45 days to get approved and there isn’t a time limit on when I have to build it. It took me 6 months to get my first suppressor, 5 of those after they cashed my check. I want more, lol.


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[j-bird]

I am not sure I'm ready for a suppressor just yet.... Besides, those take special paperwork and sub-sonic ammo don't they? Heck finding ANY ammo now is pretty difficult, I can't imagine sub-sonic would be any easier.

I did put my light to work already...we had something go "bump in the night" outside about a week ago. that was interesting....lets just say not everyone thinks defensively in a stressful situation. Communication is key when working as a team.

 

[DocHolladay]

I am not sure I'm ready for a suppressor just yet.... Besides, those take special paperwork and sub-sonic ammo don't they? Heck finding ANY ammo now is pretty difficult, I can't imagine sub-sonic would be any easier.

It’s hard to find subsonic .223/5.56. I just shoot my “regular” ammo. A silencer has two perks going for it, flash suppression and sound reduction. The sound reduction makes it super hard to know where the shot came from. I was sighting some new ammo yesterday in mine and I didn’t need hearing protection. It sounded like a .22lr. Now, if you had a .300aac or a .308, you can run subsonic and it’s pretty dang quiet. It’s hard to find a silencer that is Hollywood quiet. I bought a .30 cal can and it has done great on my .300aac with and without subsonic ammo. Super Sonic ammo sounds like a .22. I did put a .22 end cap on mine, which helped with the .223 report. Without it, it was still quiet, but had a different tone which had a higher pitch that bothered my ears.

If you have headphones, they let you hear the difference better.

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[DocHolladay]

I will add, a lot of the sound you are hearing is the extra pressure coming out of the ejection port.


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[j-bird]

So how much difference is there then between "normal" ammo and sub-sonic ammo? The difference seems to be pretty significant with regular ammo!

My wife is expecting the tinfoil hat any minute now....I start pushing for a suppressor, I think she will think I done lost it!

I know hollywood and their "gun play" tends to be a lot of BS.

 

[DocHolladay]

The difference is noticeable. Some can and ammo combinations sound different and can require hearing protection. It really depends on the suppressor and the tone it has. Older suppressors tried to get the sound at the muzzle under 140dB(hearing safe) and at the shooters ear tended to be above 140. Now, everyone is trying to get 140dB or less at the shooters ear(better for the shooter). They are also working on gas blowback, which puts gas into your face by going over or around the charging handle. It also increases the sound heard at the ear and tends to dirty up the inside of the AR. There are charging handles and BCG’s that mitigate this to a minimum or none. OSS suppressors have the dB at the ear under 140 easy, but they are louder at the end of the firearm. The good thing about cans is, it kills the flash, the loud boom, and it makes it so that the direction of the sound of your shot cannot be pin pointed.

Back to super and subsonic, I like subsonic better. The noise you hear with supersonic ammo is just the bullet breaking the speed of sound and nothing else on todays suppressors. The only thing you hear with subsonic, is the action cycling and gas escaping. Subsonic .223/5.56 is almost impossible to find and cost a lot. Subsonic .300aac and .308 is easier to find(non pandemic/election) and is amazing. I bought a .30 cal can to fit multiple rifles and now that I have it, I want them all to have their own, lol. I put a .223 end cap on the suppressor on my AR and didn’t need hearing protection today while shooting. It had the same tone as the .30 cal cap, but the gas escaping through the .30 cal hole, was a louder pop/pffft than the .223 cap. I have some ammo that will choke you out with gas, while others are just like no can at all. I asked my brothers wife if she could hear my shots in the house and she said barely.

I replied during my lunch break at work tonight. If I missed something or you want more answers, ask and I’ll do my best to answer.

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[j-bird]

The difference is noticeable. Some can and ammo combinations sound different and can require hearing protection. It really depends on the suppressor and the tone it has. Older suppressors tried to get the sound at the muzzle under 140dB(hearing safe) and at the shooters ear tended to be above 140. Now, everyone is trying to get 140dB or less at the shooters ear(better for the shooter). They are also working on gas blowback, which puts gas into your face by going over or around the charging handle. It also increases the sound heard at the ear and tends to dirty up the inside of the AR. There are charging handles and BCG’s that mitigate this to a minimum or none. OSS suppressors have the dB at the ear under 140 easy, but they are louder at the end of the firearm. The good thing about cans is, it kills the flash, the loud boom, and it makes it so that the direction of the sound of your shot cannot be pin pointed.

Back to super and subsonic, I like subsonic better. The noise you hear with supersonic ammo is just the bullet breaking the speed of sound and nothing else on todays suppressors. The only thing you hear with subsonic, is the action cycling and gas escaping. Subsonic .223/5.56 is almost impossible to find and cost a lot. Subsonic .300aac and .308 is easier to find(non pandemic/election) and is amazing. I bought a .30 cal can to fit multiple rifles and now that I have it, I want them all to have their own, lol. I put a .223 end cap on the suppressor on my AR and didn’t need hearing protection today while shooting. It had the same tone as the .30 cal cap, but the gas escaping through the .30 cal hole, was a louder pop/pffft than the .223 cap. I have some ammo that will choke you out with gas, while others are just like no can at all. I asked my brothers wife if she could hear my shots in the house and she said barely.

I replied during my lunch break at work tonight. If I missed something or you want more answers, ask and I’ll do my best to answer.

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So Doc, I see all these "fuel filter" sale adds on FB....and they are really a suppressor....I was too dense to put 2 and 2 together, when the add said "fuel filter" but the video was of some sort of gun being shot. #1 - are these legit, #2 - is the "fuel filter" thing some sort of loop hole? #3 - this seems like a legal nightmare just waiting to happen?

 

[catscratch]

Filters and solvent traps are not sold as suppressors (and therefor not intended for that use). They are allowed to be threaded to a barrel for cleaning. To be used as a suppressor they must be modified from their original purpose which is illegal unless the government ok's it. There are a lot of solvent trap parts kits that can be drilled and modified to make a suppressor. If you file a Form 1 with the ATF they will let you make a suppressor on your own... those solvent traps make it awfully easy. Typically the Form 1 is a much faster turn around with the feds than going with a prebuilt unit. Typically cheaper parts also. edit - going from memory so might want to fact check me before committing to anything.

 

[DocHolladay]

There are cheap Chinese solvent traps that aren’t worth much other than .22 or actually catching solvent. There are US made traps that are really nice(stainless and titanium). If you fill out the form 1 correctly, the turn around time is roughly 25-40 days compared to 6 months to 15 months for a form 4(store bought suppressor). You can purchase all the components, but you cannot drill the holes until your paperwork is approved.


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