Rural property and global pandemics
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Hoosierhunting
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On the topic of government incompetence, the US has a population of roughly 330m, and per the CDC we have so far tested a total of just over 31,800 people. The CDC has only conducted 4255 of those tests with private labs performing the rest. Meanwhile, South Korea has 51m people and have conducted over 286,000 tests. At a rate of over 10,000 a day while the US has still yet to break 4,000 tests per day. If you’re wondering where the drive thru testing idea came from, South Korea has been doing it for weeks, they text the results to the people. Mortality rate in South Korea is below 1%.
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weekender21
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Yep, they’re the example to follow so far. Their government AND civilian population took this seriously from the start.
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Hoosierhunting
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The Pentagon has an annual budget of $738 Billion dollars but our biosecurity seems to be somewhere between Nigeria and nothing. Wouldn’t germ warfare be a threat that we’re militarily prepared for? We have a relatively mild pandemic and there’s no readiness for testing, no supply of N95 masks stockpiled, no ventilators to mobilize, etc. When this has blown over, I think as citizens we deserve a review of our readiness pre-pandemic and what measures we’re going to take to be better prepared in case of future outbreaks. A non-parison, responsible review and plan going forward. A fella can dream at least....
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weekender21
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I’m sure citizens from every congressional district will be all over their congressional representatives after the dust settles on this one. Unfortunately after the dust settles, we the people go back to our daily lives and are quick to forget.
A review of the lack of diversification of where we source medications and medical supplies is in order as well. It would be hard to make this stuff up. Disappointing.
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Buckly
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I really believe the testing is rapidly changing by the day. They are already going talking about instant test kits for home use. What we started with apparently was a good but highly outdated system of testing. But to be fair the experts today said all those rests that were used in Asia were not all that accurate and didn’t meet any kind of standard. You can’t have a test with 40% false positives and call it a good test just because there were thousands being done. I think we’re turning a big corner on testing this week. Also said today something to remember, if you test negative today that doesn’t mean in 2 weeks you won’t test positive.
Buckly
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I’m willing to bet the tank the president rides around in is protected from germ warfare. Yep this whole situation will need a good look over . I am a believer in innovation Maybe new inventions will come out of this not just a vaccine. Maybe a universal vaccine that can be retrofitted in days to any given virus. Who knows. There are some very smart people out there that if given the right resources can do amazing things these days
dogghr
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Always find it interesting as to the publics demand for a vaccine for this virus. Guarantee most , when it becomes available will not get it, just as a huge populace refuse to get the present annual vaccines.
How many have reached in their pocket to pay for the pneumonia or shingles vaccine ? ( ins won't pay typically till age 60). Yet one of those is one of the most common killers of plus 50 yo in this country even when caused by a flu bug or other complication leading into it. And one of the leading causes of death in the elderly by this China virus. The other is one of the most painful and aggravating disease with no real tx but pain control one can have. Both pretty well preventable with vaccination.
This , or another will re occur probably in the near future. With our current travels around the world, outsourcing everything but the military, its a wonder this event hasn't already happened.
How many have reached in their pocket to pay for the pneumonia or shingles vaccine ? ( ins won't pay typically till age 60). Yet one of those is one of the most common killers of plus 50 yo in this country even when caused by a flu bug or other complication leading into it. And one of the leading causes of death in the elderly by this China virus. The other is one of the most painful and aggravating disease with no real tx but pain control one can have. Both pretty well preventable with vaccination.
This , or another will re occur probably in the near future. With our current travels around the world, outsourcing everything but the military, its a wonder this event hasn't already happened.
Triple C
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I"m personally experiencing both extremes. Farm is in the middle of nowhere with one neighbor within a mile. Home is the suburbs of NW ATL. County in which we reside has 25 active cases and each county that touches ours has active cases. While I can't wait to get to the farm this weekned, in the interim we are continuing to carry on here at home. But...Holy Cow!!! What a difference 5 days have made in our personal lives at home. All schools closed and most everything else. Gym closed. Most fast food restaurants are drive thru only. No traffic to speak of. Our company is going to skeleton staff later this week with only essential employees reporting. 70% will be working from home and prolly more before this is over.
I want NOTHING to do with this virus. Maybe I'm buying in to the so called "hype", but if so, I'm perfectly fine with that. Got too many folks in the medical field telling me this is no joke and absolutely nothing to play around with. I'm social distancing, washing my hands like Howard Hughes and don't plan on going to any gatherings any time soon. We are all going to feel the pain from this thing, particularly in the economy.
I want NOTHING to do with this virus. Maybe I'm buying in to the so called "hype", but if so, I'm perfectly fine with that. Got too many folks in the medical field telling me this is no joke and absolutely nothing to play around with. I'm social distancing, washing my hands like Howard Hughes and don't plan on going to any gatherings any time soon. We are all going to feel the pain from this thing, particularly in the economy.
PineSapJunky
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Our rural home is the only thing that is keep me sane right now. I've been put on my but since the 5th with knee surgery. Had a cadaver bone & cartilage put in my femur and had my tibia surgically broken and realigned so my weight is carried on the center to the outer part of my knee. Couple that with the virus going around makes for some interesting times. To top it off I work in the oilfield. Everything seemed to hit right at once. What was suppose to be 8-10 weeks off work turned into conference call after conference call. Hopefully things turn around quick in the oil patch. The dreaded "layoff" has been mentioned more than once this week.
As mentioned earlier our home is my safe haven and my wife and kids are my rocks. It's nice having them out of school and hearing them laugh. Sitting on the porch in the mornings drinking coffee listening to the turkeys gobble makes you realize who really is in control. I'm thankful my little girl wakes up early like her daddy to brew me some coffee and bring it to me. If this is how it is going to be for the next couple of months I'm fine with it.
As mentioned earlier our home is my safe haven and my wife and kids are my rocks. It's nice having them out of school and hearing them laugh. Sitting on the porch in the mornings drinking coffee listening to the turkeys gobble makes you realize who really is in control. I'm thankful my little girl wakes up early like her daddy to brew me some coffee and bring it to me. If this is how it is going to be for the next couple of months I'm fine with it.
Hoosierhunting
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Our rural home is the only thing that is keep me sane right now. I've been put on my but since the 5th with knee surgery. Had a cadaver bone & cartilage put in my femur and had my tibia surgically broken and realigned so my weight is carried on the center to the outer part of my knee. Couple that with the virus going around makes for some interesting times. To top it off I work in the oilfield. Everything seemed to hit right at once. What was suppose to be 8-10 weeks off work turned into conference call after conference call. Hopefully things turn around quick in the oil patch. The dreaded "layoff" has been mentioned more than once this week.
As mentioned earlier our home is my safe haven and my wife and kids are my rocks. It's nice having them out of school and hearing them laugh. Sitting on the porch in the mornings drinking coffee listening to the turkeys gobble makes you realize who really is in control. I'm thankful my little girl wakes up early like her daddy to brew me some coffee and bring it to me. If this is how it is going to be for the next couple of months I'm fine with it.
Hopefully this will make you smile Pinesap. I worked in the oil patch on five continents. Seen the good times and the bad.
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Hoosierhunting
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I agree with your first sentence, Roche has made some strides and the Mayo Clinic as well.
But....
“Currently, RT-PCR is the only way to determine if a person has Covid-19. No other kinds of tests can yet distinguish the virus that causes it from influenza or the other dozen or so respiratory bugs that are circulating this time of year. “It’s a very standard, reliable technique used in microbiology labs almost everywhere that can be quickly applied to clinical testing,” says Louis Mansky, director for the Institute of Molecular Virology at the University of Minnesota. “It’s the fastest possible kind of test to develop.”
RT-PCR is the testing methodology used here currently and in other Asian countries such as South Korea. Of February 12th, the CDC admitted that the tests they had developed had a faulty reagent. The WHO issued protocols for the testing that any country could adopt.
We’d be wise to look at why South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong all dramatically outperformed us in their ability to scale up testing. The critical thing is the ability to test large numbers quickly in the early stages of an outbreak like this so that the healthcare system doesn’t get overwhelmed like it is in Italy. Coming out with a better test two months down the road isn’t going to help, it’s the rapid response that is critical in a situation like this. The article below is pretty interesting.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wi...ou-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-testing/amp
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Hoosierhunting
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Couldn’t agree more Weekender. Dogghr mentioned the outsourcing too. After Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, there was a shortage of IV bags and saline solution because that’s where Baxter made all of their IV bags. The shipped a million a day on average to the US from that plant that got wiped out. A ton of our generic drugs come from India. Like you said, If nothing else, it would be great to see a review of where we source medication and medical supplies. Maybe declare their manufacture as critical to national defense and bring that manufacturing back to the US.
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Buckly
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I’m just relaying what the expert have said. Those tests were not approved for anything At this point though with all the restrictions And bans you just might as well assume everybody’s got it.
I agree we should always look at what others are doing. You’re only going to see drive through testing in major cities. I also agree the CDC was just to ME oriented at first.
I agree we should always look at what others are doing. You’re only going to see drive through testing in major cities. I also agree the CDC was just to ME oriented at first.
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Buckly
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I want NOTHING to do with this virus. Maybe I'm buying in to the so called "hype", but if so, I'm perfectly fine with that. Got too many folks in the medical field telling me this is no joke and absolutely nothing to play around with. I'm social distancing, washing my hands like Howard Hughes and don't plan on going to any gatherings any time soon. We are all going to feel the pain from this thing, particularly in the economy.[/QUOTE]
If you listen to the “hype” you would want to get the virus earlier rather than later when hospitals are full and no equipment is left. Stupid stuff I think about when I hear hype all day LOL. The sensible thing of course is just like you say. I want no part of it.
I want NOTHING to do with this virus. Maybe I'm buying in to the so called "hype", but if so, I'm perfectly fine with that. Got too many folks in the medical field telling me this is no joke and absolutely nothing to play around with. I'm social distancing, washing my hands like Howard Hughes and don't plan on going to any gatherings any time soon. We are all going to feel the pain from this thing, particularly in the economy.[/QUOTE]
If you listen to the “hype” you would want to get the virus earlier rather than later when hospitals are full and no equipment is left. Stupid stuff I think about when I hear hype all day LOL. The sensible thing of course is just like you say. I want no part of it.
Chainsaw
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I'm in the same camp as you Buckly. Today found me digging tree planting holes all day and tomorrow will be the same. Wife Anne and I will skype our friends and family to stay in touch and other than that we will just be alone for a short while.* Our freezers are full and other than a little gas or diesel in a week or two we don't need to leave our property. Everything we need for the next two months is right here. We have been fairly active up to this point but believe that now is the time to stay put.
* We do have a grafting session planned with three friends and would proceed with that if everyone is OK with it. To date There have been zero confirmed cases in our county nor the two bordering counties to us. However our group is composed with at least three high risk people so we probably should consider that.
* We do have a grafting session planned with three friends and would proceed with that if everyone is OK with it. To date There have been zero confirmed cases in our county nor the two bordering counties to us. However our group is composed with at least three high risk people so we probably should consider that.
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Out traveling the world with the grandkids and wife! Life goes on...look in the background...when we took this picture we had about 20 Chinese folks 20 feet away...
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weekender21
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Info from informed physician at one of the nation’s leading medical centers.
“Those that say this is no big deal or think the US’s policies have been excessive are very wrong”
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/a...LShju6VSwaWnMiPj1W73VFv7T8IPxiCwnIYBwUTdj7uyA
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“Those that say this is no big deal or think the US’s policies have been excessive are very wrong”
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/a...LShju6VSwaWnMiPj1W73VFv7T8IPxiCwnIYBwUTdj7uyA
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