Foodplotting In The Mountains...The Sequel

Good looking brassicas & apples. Never a shortage of pearls of wisdom either.



Amen NH. I often get goofy looks but I always try to smile when passing people by. Sometimes just a smile is all it takes to change the course of someone's day.
Good stuff dogg! Grandpup eating apple is priceless and the divorce sale car is good to. I have a buddy that bought a 1970 GTO all original in great shape a few years ago for $1250 from a woman who won it in the divorce settlement - it was her exes car and she sold it CHEAP!
The fact that you took the time to listen probably helped him more than anyone knows. Life can be rough, and a little kindness goes a long way.

Hope you guys are right. I do wish people took just a second to be nice to others, the old Boy Scout adage "do a good deed daily". World would be a better place. People spend more time and energy being hateful than its worth. I just don't get it….well unless that SOB is in my way going down the highway in the passing lane going like a turtle. Sorry, my road rage is my nemesis. I confess.

Rain in forecast for weekend. Strange year. Dry winter and spring, then May and June record rains of close to 20 inches, then bone dry. Went to farm after work to overseed thin brassica with WR/RC. Clovers coming up in the spray and throw plots I just showed. Thankgoodness for the thatch. I took some pics but this old ass is too tired to post. Out of town for the weekend and season starts next weekend. As of now, will probably wait till later to hunt as the corn fields that popped up everywhere this year are still holding the bucks. Saw bunch of deer and one nice 10 while at farm tonight, twin fawns means some doe control this year, especially with no yotes. Thanks for reading.
 
Ten weeks as I count it with no rain. Good showers last evening thru this morning. My late evening planting last Thur may just pay off. Like playing the odds in Vegas. I laughed at the "show your great plot thread" on here, thot I'd show field of brown from no rain and heavy browse on there. At least haven't had to mow my yard for long time. Get a little nervous with fire season starting more than how my plots do.
 
Ten weeks as I count it with no rain. Good showers last evening thru this morning. My late evening planting last Thur may just pay off. Like playing the odds in Vegas. I laughed at the "show your great plot thread" on here, thot I'd show field of brown from no rain and heavy browse on there. At least haven't had to mow my yard for long time. Get a little nervous with fire season starting more than how my plots do.

I may just post photos of plots on Home 10 over there that have been planted since August 21st...wonder if they will get a kick out of dirt with a little Bermuda trying to overtake?
 
Doug....the hardest part of dry spells is keeping a positive mental attitude to combat the frustrations.
 
Doug....the hardest part of dry spells is keeping a positive mental attitude to combat the frustrations.
I really shouldn't complain since there are many in a long term drought. Most of the country survives in extreme swings from drought to flood. I think I plant much smarter these days and the plots survive much better the extremes. In reality , I have spent as much time studying the plant responses on my place of their adaptation to dry conditions. Certainly my alfalfa and chicory are the money makers in drought. I do know golden rod loves drought evidently since it is a mass thicket everywhere I've been.
I spent the past 4 days hiking in the highlands of WV and will post some pics when I get a chance. That may not seem to apply to deer, but it does apply to our plotting. Natures way of landscape maintenance can teach us a lot. And I might even post a pic of one of my brown plost on the best plot pic thread.
 
Great thoughts dogghr. I have been a little uptight about rains here on the Home 10 (like Kubota :p)
But ive managed enough moisture to germinate seed and maintain growth. Rye actually germinated with 0.1 inch of rain in bone dry soil and heavy dews.
Guess i am the spoiled one. Hope your showers were enough.​
 
Great thoughts dogghr. I have been a little uptight about rains here on the Home 10 (like Kubota :p)
But ive managed enough moisture to germinate seed and maintain growth. Rye actually germinated with 0.1 inch of rain in bone dry soil and heavy dews.
Guess i am the spoiled one. Hope your showers were enough.​
Yea that rye is amazing how it will grow in bad conditions. I've overseeded it into expired brassica in early Nov, and still produced great crop with a clover. Farmers here often don't get their harvested corn fields drilled into WR until then anyways. I need to start planting on their schedule.
 
Yea that rye is amazing how it will grow in bad conditions. Farmers here often don't get their harvested corn fields drilled into WR until then anyways. I need to start planting on their schedule.

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I'll be paying more attention to when the local farmers are planting. I did get lucky with an inch of rain a few days after planting my first plot, seeing a bit of everything sprouting, just a few alfalfa sprouts though.
 
Dang, G, that's some serious plotting. I can see that alfalfa standing 2 feet deep by next summer. Whats with all the flat land? That's not playing fair.


I have my fingers crossed for the alfalfa mix plot.

Maybe 100 acres or so that are relatively flat and have enough soil to work with. Plenty for my needs.

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Lousy pic but here is early growth last week before my rain of my throw and roll plot I just showed doing. If you have plot, or time, or equipment, or obligation issues with planting season, you can always count on a WR/WW/RC/oats mix thrown on the ground. Even without rain you will get a decent plot for hunting season. This acre plot has maybe 25$ of seed and will give food thru fall, most of winter, and until you plant again next fall. Not saying don't buy the BAG, just saying you can be cheap and easy and if you don't tell the deer, they will never know. Interesting, everybody from Redneck blinds, to QFMA, to Dr. Woods and others now seem to be promoting these same techniques in all their literature that the people on this forum has discussed and done for years. Good to know the rest of the world is catching on. It works , if I can do it, anyone can with small or large equipment.
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I'm sure any of you that have done plotting for more than 2 days, now pay attention to every tree, plant, weed, etc as you drive down the road, walk across your yard, and work your land. It is an addiction that can wake you in the middile of the night with planning. I went on my annual fall pilgrimage hike into the Highlands of WV this past several days. If anything teaches me, it is nature itself and how she does her foodplotting with no help from man for the most part. If you follow me much, you see I am quite an advocate of perhaps the presence of mature growth can provide the best habitat for a multitude of animals. Granted, if you only want to promote a certain species, then thots are different, but in my mind I like the intricate connection of each plant and animal with each other as a whole. Certainly some try my patience, but often if given the chance, your eyes can be opened in ways you did not realize.

Anyways, time was spent mostly 5000 feet in mature Northern Spruce thickets blanketed in thick rhodendron, to down into mixed hardwood growth. Much of this area had been abused late 1800's for the following 30 years. As erosion and fire took its toll, nature began her reclaim, providing a mix of nearly year round food for a great many animals. Along this hike we saw everything from numerous hawks and eagles, bear, snowshoe hare, deer, and almost anything you could name large and small.

As you can see at this beaver pond, Nature has been no tilling for decades. Everything from Chokeberries, to Blackberries, to Blueberries along with many plants I have no knowledge of. The ground is softer than your bedroom carpet, a layer of moss and rebuilding soil that feels at best just as a sponge. All of which collects and retains water in drought, yet holds and retains water in flood conditions. Isn't this the very OM and healthy mixture of soil we strive for in our plots. Not sure it can be optimum if we choose monoculture plantings. Yes, it will work now, but what of generations to come?
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Here a field of ferns and Cotton Weed or Feather Fleece. Pretty cool to see. Reminds me of the cotton fields of the South in the fall. She's replanting here and wherever the wind and animals chooses, isn't she? Can you really kill all your so called weeds that aggravate you? Not unless you are in a bubble.
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Pretty rocky travel in places, the trail is to the right. If you never been in virgin Spruce before, try to experience it. This is one of the most open shots I could get. Virgin soil beneath? Nope you must look closer.

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See, soil building in action, breaking down over time to compost. You know those rocks that seem to grow in your fields? It happens because you soil is eroded by wind and water and add to that compaction, which brings forth those rocks as you try and manipulate your soils. These pics are perfect examples, most of the rocks were covered by 3-6 feet of humus before the soil was destroyed a century ago, and it is still working to recover, if ever . What are you doing to your soil and plant life? Good , Bad, I don't know, you can answer.
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Did make it to a nice trout stream 6 miles from the tarmac. Fishing not so great in the warm weather. Water is tinted brown form the Tannic acid added to its waters from the bogs upstream. You walked the stream here, the undergrowth too thick for human without a machete. What a sight it mustve been for the early explorers as they cut their way thru this endless maze.
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The meadows were beginning their fall blaze of blueberry and chokeberry. Will be a field of red in a week or two. Harsh weather with 300 in snow per year. Persistant NW winds giving the onesided trees their look. Just near here where we jumped momma and her 3 cubs feeding on berries.
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And last, just a mountain view that feeds the soul. Is one closer to God up here? Doubt it, but it sure feels that way. The silence is deafening. If you have never hunted backcountry wilderness, I urge you to do so. Success will not come in the game you take, but the quest you put forth. Pay attention in your stands this fall, and listen to what the land is trying to teach you. It might not be to place another plot, or kill another weed, or even cut a certain tree. Observe and learn. Peace from this ole mountain boy. Season starts soon for everyone, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you need which may not necessarliy be what you wish for.


"It's wonderful to be back. Back among the mountains that remind us of our vulnerability, our ultimate lack of control over the world we live in. Mountains that demand humility, and yield so much peace in return." --- Alex Lowe

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Beautiful country and penetrating words. Always enjoy thoughts from the "ole mountain man" (hey, is that you on TV?).
As I rode the tractor yesterday I saw weeds, and field rats, and raccoons, and crows, and knew there were deer and turkey nearby, and I thought, maybe there is a place for everything, and it not good vs bad. Then I saw many a couple of pecan trees and many of my young sawtooths "de-leaved" by some type of worm, and I thought "well, maybe not a place for EVERYTHING"
 
That's funny Lakn. It's tough to see stuff like that happen when you work so hard doing improvements to the habitat. And those bugs you guys have down there are size of my leg. I'd be scared.


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I spent Sunday hiking White Oak Cannon and Cedar Run in Shenandoah National Park with a little extra b/c of a missed turn. 11 miles total. It will be a much prettier hike in a month from now!
 
Nice pictures Doug.

If I don't have picea resin in me it has been stuck on me for as long as I can remember, I've been getting back to my roots lately.

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Beautiful country and commentary! Mountains are special. The first time I went elk hunting in the Rockies is when I realized how insignificant I was. Sitting on top of a 12,000 foot mountain and looking at God's vast creation is about as good as it gets:)
 
I spent Sunday hiking White Oak Cannon and Cedar Run in Shenandoah National Park with a little extra b/c of a missed turn. 11 miles total. It will be a much prettier hike in a month from now!

That's cool. Yea I've never been lost but to quote D Boone, " I've been might bewildered for a day or two." Conifer forests always keep me a bit baffled, so thick.
 
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Nice pictures Doug.

If I don't have picea resin in me it has been stuck on me for as long as I can remember, I've been getting back to my roots lately.

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Well that should keep the bowels good. I thot of your efforts this weekend. I know at 9000 ft + the air gets thin and not sure how you are handling that so well. Liked the pic btw.

Were you on Vacation? Again :)

Pretty views and nicely written...

No I wasn't on vacation, I was studying the effects of changing environment on the habitat of course. When you have a non hunting sig other, you spend time preseason so when I disappear for the next 3 months I get no grief. Just suckin up.

Beautiful country and commentary! Mountains are special. The first time I went elk hunting in the Rockies is when I realized how insignificant I was. Sitting on top of a 12,000 foot mountain and looking at God's vast creation is about as good as it gets:)

Yea the Rockies are something special. At 12000 ft the lungs are burning pretty good for those not acclimated. The Alex dude I quoted was into Mountaineering and extreme skiing. He and his friend died in an avalanche late 90s and bodies were not found for 16 years.
 
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