What do you think of this mix?


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I’m trying to follow suit with natives “two stage plotting” I believe that’s what he called it. Do the seeding rates look right? Do you like what’s in the mix? Should something be removed or added?
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What time of year would you plant? FWIW, I’d probably go heavier on clovers as most of the inputs are unlikely to reseed. It would give you the option of doing nothing the next year knowing you had a quality clover chicory mix. I’ve found it helpful when life get crazy busy to know I don’t have to do anything else. If your soil is up to it, I’d also throw in some alfalfa for variety. While I plant lots of ladino, every year I’ve become more of a medium red clover fan. It produces quicker and the deer go to town on it. You do need to plan on overseeding in year 2 or starting over as my stands really suffer in year 3.
This would be planted around Late July or early August based off the weather.

I was thinking the same thing about the clover rate and the intention is to have these two plots be a perennial plot. Some years I have ample time and plots are easy. But this year is proving that’s not always the case. Maybe I’ll go straight medium red for the clover portion and see if I notice a difference.
What are you planting into? Fallow or prev plot. Soils in good levels? Thatch? Spray? Mow?

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What are you planting into? Fallow or prev plot. Soils in good levels? Thatch? Spray? Mow?

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I just planted buckwheat yesterday in both spots. So with a good crop I’ll be doing throw and mow. These spots haven’t been planted in 5+ years. But I did lime them this Spring, no incorporation though.
Different options but if me since basically new plot… I’d do after buckwheat the grain/RC/WC/peas. Brassica pretty heavy N lovers and unless you hitting w Urea they prob do poorly especially no till. Next fall I think your options may be more open once you have developed some good thatch and soil health. To me it takes a few rotations to see good success w T&M
But most that seed is cheap in a smaller plot so you could go for it. Good luck

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You have a good memory - yes, I did call it "Two Stage Plotting." My thoughts are that you will be heavy on brassicas and too light on clover and chicory. Also, any warm season species in that mix that aren't eaten before the first frost will be killed at the first frost. That will leave some more empty holes going into the next year. The idea with the warm season species in fall plots is to get just enough to provide some extra attraction that they will not find anywhere else, but not get it too thick to where you end up with gaps in the clover and chicory next year.

Usually when I plant a fall plot, my intentions are to end up with a strong clover and chicory plot the next year. I can't see that happening with your exact mix. However, if your deer eat brassicas well, this might not be too bad. You could always overseed with more clovers and chicory once the brassicas are gone. Around here, turnips and collards are almost a waste, but that may not be the case for you.

PS - I do love having some warm season species in a fall mix because of the extra attraction up until frost. The overseeding later as I mentioned is a good thing if you accidentally get them too thick and need something to fill the holes later on.

Good luck.
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Not sure your plot size but for T/M use extra seed. Standard for me would be RC 6-10#/ac, WC 4-6, peas 50+, Grain 25-100. I go 25# on grains as I don't like too heavy thatch following year. But heavy crop does give great weed control and fawning thicket.
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I would think some of it would make it and some won't,example now is time to plant soybeans but I would plant clover in fall or spring.I doubt if theres anything you could spray for weeds or grass but it may be thick enough you won't have either.I bet the deer eat it