Regenerative Plotting

[RGrizzzz]

Our GCS mix has some Florida Mustard Broadleaf. It came in great. Has anyone else ever planted this? Do deer hit it? When?

 

[MarkDarvin]

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[KSQ2]

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Looks awesome! What’s that clear liquid on your plants?

 

[catscratch]

Looks awesome! What’s that clear liquid on your plants?

That's not funny! I don't recognize it either.

 

[KSQ2]

We got a quite a little bit of rain on this particular area out of the rains last week. This was an absolute wasteland a week and half ago when I did our throw and mow. The rye and radishes are really taking off, I'm guessing the wheat and the rest will catch up soon. We have some more rain chances in the forecast in a few days. The skies HAVE to break loose sooner or later, right?

 

[MarkDarvin]

We got a quite a little bit of rain on this particular area out of the rains last week. This was an absolute wasteland a week and half ago when I did our throw and mow. The rye and radishes are really taking off, I'm guessing the wheat and the rest will catch up soon. We have some more rain chances in the forecast in a few days. The skies HAVE to break loose sooner or later, right?

What does an average year for rainfall look like down there? I have this image in my head of no humidity and no rain from May 1st to Sept 30th. I've seen conditions like that in Montana. I am really missing the summers when i'd get 5-8" of rain every two weeks.

 

[KSQ2]

I don’t think Cat averages quite as much as us. We usually get around 38-40” a year. We were above average through part of July, then the faucet completely shut off. But even the rains we got in early July were spotty. Some areas within 50 miles of us have had abundant rain all year. It’s has been a very strange last 4 months or so in terms of rainfall.

 

[catscratch]

We don't average as much as ksq. There's a line just east of me where storms tent to build and head the other way. With that said I would hate to be 100 miles west of here and won't complain with what moisture I've gotten (not to much anyway).

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[MarkDarvin]

Been doing some enrichment this week as I wait for the longest week of the year to pass by. I found some updated talks on biological growing I hadn't seen, and pulled out some gems.


Nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizers block biological nitrogen and phosphorus uptake by plants. When we fertilize, we do see an improvement over not fertilizing after a biological disturbance, but the soil hasn't expressed it's full potential because the biological fixation by microbes of nitrogen and phosphorus (and the rest) has been stopped.


The importance of staying green full circle all year.

 

[TreeDaddy]

I pay attention to pretty much everything this lady and Elaine Ingham have to say

Thank you for posting

bill

 

[MarkDarvin]

I pay attention to pretty much everything this lady and Elaine Ingham have to say

Thank you for posting

bill

Those two are my favorites. Kris Nichols is a close third.

 

[MarkDarvin]

I pay attention to pretty much everything this lady and Elaine Ingham have to say

Thank you for posting

bill

I've been practicing their principles for the past 3 seasons, and so far it's all worked out exactly as they said it would.

 

[KSQ2]

Went a picked up cards this afternoon. It was raining pretty good, so I didn’t take any plot pics, so you’ll have to take my word for it that they look incredible. Rain changes everything! And I’m more and more captivated by throw and mow every year, it’s awesome seeing new cereals and not seeing any dirt under them at all, because the dirt is covered in clover! It seems the chicory really takes to t&m too, not to mention the radishes and the deer are hammering them all. I can’t thank you guys enough for pointing me in this direction. Plotting was becoming more work and less fun the conventional way…

 

[MarkDarvin]

Went a picked up cards this afternoon. It was raining pretty good, so I didn’t take any plot pics, so you’ll have to take my word for it that they look incredible. Rain changes everything! And I’m more and more captivated by throw and mow every year, it’s awesome seeing new cereals and not seeing any dirt under them at all, because the dirt is covered in clover! It seems the chicory really takes to t&m too, not to mention the radishes and the deer are hammering them all. I can’t thank you guys enough for pointing me in this direction. Plotting was becoming more work and less fun the conventional way…

That's the most rewarding part. As you begin to do less and you see the plot performing better and better. It really stands out when the extremes in weather hit.

 

[MarkDarvin]

If you really want to base jump into the rabbit hole of soil science, I've found a very neat read on organic acids, and how they are the key to everything. Beware, it is very sciency, and it can get tough to get through some paragraphs. Still there are gems to be taken from it. I haven't read it all, but I'm chipping away at it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0254629915315167

*The importance of staying green all year is starting to be explained through the non-stop production of organic acids by plants and organisms, and the extremely short lifespan of them. Much like the lungs of a living organism, if they quit producing, that organism will cease to exit in a few minutes. The viability of a biological fertility program is the same.



*Living plants and organisms produce the organic acids necessary to tap into the endless reserve of rock bound soil nutrients. A conventional soil test tells us what we have at any given moment in time. A near universal truth is that we'll never see a full crop's worth of available nutrients on a soil test, nor should we. The genius of the system is that it feeds life above and below ground at the rate at which it is needed, vs the system of stock up and draw down that we've been taught.

*Focus on Grandma and the cellar, not the kitchen table: Like Grandma going down to the cellar to get 1 jar of canned food for lunch. She doesn't cook a year's worth of food, put it on the table, and hope it doesn't go bad. The stockpile is preserved in a stable form, and only used a tiny bit at a time. Soil tests only tell us what's on the table. Grandma (the living soil community) is the most important factor in those goodies in the cellar making it to the kitchen table.

Part of this cycle involves the interaction between OAs from biological species (microbes, plants and animals) and rock. This is the first part of the weathering process, which results in the release of cations for plant growth (Fenton and Helyar, 1999). For example, gluconic acid is a metabolite often reported for its ability to induce phosphate solubilisation (Uroz et al., 2009).

 

[MarkDarvin]

I had been of the belief that deer won’t eat a cereal head with awns on it. I learned otherwise this weekend. I had fall planted spring wheat to test it as an alternative to oats, something that had more weight and less size to shake down thru the clover. I did the math and realized after that I planted probably three weeks to soon, and it was destined to head out.

During bow hunting and with my binos, I confirmed it all headed out. Now there isn’t a seed head to be found. At least they left me the straw, for now…

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[jlane35]

I had been of the belief that deer won’t eat a cereal head with awns on it. I learned otherwise this weekend. I had fall planted spring wheat to test it as an alternative to oats, something that had more weight and less size to shake down thru the clover. I did the math and realized after that I planted probably three weeks to soon, and it was destined to head out.

During bow hunting and with my binos, I confirmed it all headed out. Now there isn’t a seed head to be found. At least they left me the straw, for now…

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I should have taken pictures but that is exactly what the remaining straw looks like. I bent the straw thinking it broke from wind and being pushed around by the deer. But I couldn’t snap it.

 

[catscratch]

Maybe I should have been more clear while promoting grazing/forage varieties of wheat... I've always witnessed deer eating heads, but once I started using awnless varieties time in plots increased dramatically (during the July period).

 

[MarkDarvin]

Maybe I should have been more clear while promoting grazing/forage varieties of wheat... I've always witnessed deer eating heads, but once I started using awnless varieties time in plots increased dramatically (during the July period).

Oh, believe me, i'm sold on awnless wheat. I planted that to all my established clover late summer. I'm still using rye where I've got dirt that ain't alive yet. But once it's running, it'll be a 50/50 combo of catwheat and forage barley going into those plots.

 

[MarkDarvin]

Maybe I should have been more clear while promoting grazing/forage varieties of wheat... I've always witnessed deer eating heads, but once I started using awnless varieties time in plots increased dramatically (during the July period).

I really like the fact that it stays vegetative longer too. It's gotta be good for pumping more goodies into the soil and it helps keep the unintended plants at bay longer.