Regenerative Plotting

[KSQ2]

Is this going to be a problem? I had a little buckwheat leftover after throwing into last fall’s brassicas. I didn’t think it would make it up in thick established clover. I was wrong, it’s popping up like crazy.


Also, it looks like the wr I mowed down a couple weeks ago is popping up also, this is in a new plot planted last fall. The clover has had a little bit of a hard time, I think I spread the cereals too heavy. Will the clover thicken up? Or will the newly sprouting rye crowd it out? Looks like I’ll be buying a BUNCH of clover this fall.
If you look close, you can see the rye popping up.

 

[catscratch]

Is this going to be a problem? I had a little buckwheat leftover after throwing into last fall’s brassicas. I didn’t think it would make it up in thick established clover. I was wrong, it’s popping up like crazy.
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Also, it looks like the wr I mowed down a couple weeks ago is popping up also, this is in a new plot planted last fall. The clover has had a little bit of a hard time, I think I spread the cereals too heavy. Will the clover thicken up? Or will the newly sprouting rye crowd it out? Looks like I’ll be buying a BUNCH of clover this fall.
If you look close, you can see the rye popping up.
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The way I view this stuff is that if something pops up the conditions are right for to do its thing. I wouldn't worry about your buckwheat, rye, and clovers. The buckwheat and rye will eventually thin out and your clovers are probably more established than you think they are. In a short while the clovers will dominate. Enjoy the other stuff while it's there doing it's thing.

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[MarkDarvin]

The way I view this stuff is that if something pops up the conditions are right for to do its thing. I wouldn't worry about your buckwheat, rye, and clovers. The buckwheat and rye will eventually thin out and your clovers are probably more established than you think they are. In a short while the clovers will dominate. Enjoy the other stuff while it's there doing it's thing.

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I'm with Cat on this, and I think Dogghr said something similar not so long ago. The more you can abuse clover with diversity, the better. I am constantly trying to push other annuals into my clover either at the end of winter or after a late summer mowing.

 

[MarkDarvin]

This is about the only update I’ve got on my 4 year old clover plot. It’s getting a makeover this year to prevent any more flooding issues. If you recall, I lost my barley planting to standing water in early April.

I did get a few stalks of both my barley and spring wheat. A near zero on the oats. I was farting around with spring wheat to see if I could get higher tonnage than the barley.

Some flax made it. I went really early on the flax.

I think this is fixation. It’s been a few years since I planted it.

The chicory always looks good. After the remodel is done, my replant is going to be almost 40% chicory, far as the perennials go.
I found one plant out there that is 6.5’ tall.

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[KSQ2]

Will chicory survive a light spraying of gly like clover, 16 ounces or less to the acre?

 

[catscratch]

Will chicory survive a light spraying of gly like clover, 16 ounces or less to the acre?

I wouldn't expect good results with your chicory.

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[RGrizzzz]

Green cover seed warm season soil builder doing well!

 

[KSQ2]

I wouldn't expect good results with your chicory.

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Ok, I’ll just keep my spraying to clethodim.

 

[MarkDarvin]

I’ve got a few more pics I can share. I’m big on bugs and flowers. I don’t know much about them, but I do watch for what I do know. One of my barometers for bug system health is aphid numbers on grain heads. I’ve seen some just infested In mono fields. I didn’t see much of anything on mine yet. It may be too early though too. I’m not sure if I’ve got something else going on here or not.

I was grabbing some pics of my flax flowers, and saw it was loaded up, along with a sample of clover, rye, and barley all in the pic. I just really like this picture.

Hairy Vetch. I am a fan.

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[KSQ2]

Is hairy vetch planted in fall or spring? Just curious and too lazy to look it up. I hear a lot about it, but have never planted any.

 

[MarkDarvin]

Is hairy vetch planted in fall or spring? Just curious and too lazy to look it up. I hear a lot about it, but have never planted any.

Fall.

 

[KSQ2]

Fall.

That's what I was hoping to hear, I only order from Welters once a year -- each late summer. I just might be adding some hairy vetch to the order this year; and also upping the order of chicory. I love this thread!!

 

[catscratch]

Is hairy vetch planted in fall or spring? Just curious and too lazy to look it up. I hear a lot about it, but have never planted any.

I've had decent luck establishing it here but haven't messed with it for several yrs. I planted it for diversity so I can't vouch for deer preference. Think I might add it to this fall's mix.

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[KSQ2]

Just did a little reading cat and saw that it is great for bees too. I plan to put at least one hive on the Massey next year, so anything to help the girls out is welcome!

 

[MarkDarvin]

Is hairy vetch planted in fall or spring? Just curious and too lazy to look it up. I hear a lot about it, but have never planted any.

I should add, I think this would be a good overseed into stuff as well. It seems to persist and compete with existing vegetation.

 

[catscratch]

Just did a little reading cat and saw that it is great for bees too. I plan to put at least one hive on the Massey next year, so anything to help the girls out is welcome!

You already have the best honey in the state, but if the girls could use it you should put it in!


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[KSQ2]

You already have the best honey in the state, but if the girls could use it you should put it in!


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Thank you cat, and I agree, the girls of the past made some pretty good honey. I just need to figure out how to keep the future girls alive! Bee-keeping is not for the faint of heart! Not to hi-jack this awesome thread though...

 

[KSQ2]

I have a buddy who has access to rabbit litter and quite a bit of it. He was considering broadcasting it on some of his small plots. Would this be a good or a bad idea? There should not be any foreign seed in it, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

 

[buckhunter10]

I have a buddy who has access to rabbit litter and quite a bit of it. He was considering broadcasting it on some of his small plots. Would this be a good or a bad idea? There should not be any foreign seed in it, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

Depending on your goals, it depends. Many manures can have high levels of nitrates in them due to the animals eating plants that were fed synthetic N, which never made the conversion to amino acids in the plant. Adding large amounts of manure, it can be the same idea as adding a large amount of synthetic N, which we know can reduce the microbial activity in the soil as well as drive calcium out of the soil.

So with that being said, there is most likely a great bacterial element being added with the manure, which surely is a good source of above-ground biomass to be broken down by microbes, which will have systemic benefits to the soil.

With any and all amendments, it very much depends on the soil, soil profile, and goals of the particular land owner.

Hope this helps.

AT.

 

[MarkDarvin]

For the fun of it, I spread a bag of lime on my native grasses just off the yard. I wanted to see what would happen. I had forgotten I did it last year. That was until I saw the stark contrast in colors where I spread it.

It completely knocked out my goldenrod and milkweed. And it looks like my grass is now brome instead of whatever it was. Quack maybe?

It also unlocked a bunch of clover.

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