Said this before but... I've done the EW and Milo Sorghum routine and it is work, N expensive, seed expensive, requires prior spraying, etc. And what do you get? Great screen until first ice or heavy snow storm and/or severe winds. Mine was on the ground before the rut started when I did it despite good thick stalks. So heres what I do. Simply manage Goldenrod 10 feet deep around plots. It grows 7-9 feet. Cost me nothing. No fert, no spraying and stands with snow and wind into January. Let nature do your work and spend time and money on something else. I have to walk right by my plots and deer have no worries with me. BTW I still have bag of EW thats sat there for couple years I should give to someone.