Just getting caught up here Native. As usual you are the epitome of knowledge of all things that grow in the ground. And having seen your Eden, proof is in the pudding as they say. Did want you to know that my loan persimmon is doing well and she would have friends if the bear didn't love them to death. Fruit trees are my nemesis thanks to the furry ones, but I read with envy and still plant with hope. Thanks for the thread.