NY handgun

JohnL48

JohnL48

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For my NY peeps
Can I as a non resident who owns a house on 5 acres in NY have a handgun if it's kept inside the house ?
 
John, it’s actually a pretty big deal, and in talking to the Troopers, I think there would be no reluctance to prosecute you if you didn’t go through the permit process (they will hold them while you go through the process if you approach them before moving). You may talk to the local licensing authority to see if they can accommodate a permit for a dual residence person. I don’t know the answer. I suspect when you better understand all the liberties you give up under the regime, I suspect you’ll be disinclined to try....
 
Elkaddict said:
John, it’s actually a pretty big deal, and in talking to the Troopers, I think there would be no reluctance to prosecute you if you didn’t go through the permit process (they will hold them while you go through the process if you approach them before moving). You may talk to the local licensing authority to see if they can accommodate a permit for a dual residence person. I don’t know the answer. I suspect when you better understand all the liberties you give up under the regime, I suspect you’ll be disinclined to try....
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It's just insane I can't keep a handgun inside my residence.
 
Mennoniteman said:
I can't see how it is an unalienable right to keep arms if you are forced to ask for permission?
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Surely its worth giving up some rights to live in a crime free utopia with no violence. Just imagine how much money they can dump into fixing poverty, health, and education by not needing law enforcement or prisons in their state. It's just a "right", sounds like a fair trade to me. (Heavy sarcasm if ya couldn't tell)

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catscratch said:
Surely its worth giving up some rights to live in a crime free utopia with no violence. Just imagine how much money they can dump into fixing poverty, health, and education by not needing law enforcement or prisons in their state. It's just a "right", sounds like a fair trade to me. (Heavy sarcasm if ya couldn't tell)

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I'm somewhat into ancient world history, and have taught a few classes on it. Thinking of this "freedom for security" tradeoff that our current enlightened elites are trying to sell us, I'd be interested in having someone pointing out a few examples, anytime from the dawn of civilization right up to the present age, of this working out longterm for the good of the people in any given society?
For several months during this past year we were told that, for their own security, a two or three man crew of twenty year-olds no longer had the freedom to work outdoors building a barn. This may well be a harbinger of things to come, as we lose our freedoms one at a time, as we can't support our families anymore, governor Wolf tells us, I'm doing this for your own good. In order to save you from yourselves I am forced to take your freedoms away.
 
Mennoniteman said:
I'm somewhat into ancient world history, and have taught a few classes on it. Thinking of this "freedom for security" tradeoff that our current enlightened elites are trying to sell us, I'd be interested in having someone pointing out a few examples, anytime from the dawn of civilization right up to the present age, of this working out longterm for the good of the people in any given society?
For several months during this past year we were told that, for their own security, a two or three man crew of twenty year-olds no longer had the freedom to work outdoors building a barn. This may well be a harbinger of things to come, as we lose our freedoms one at a time, as we can't support our families anymore, governor Wolf tells us, I'm doing this for your own good. In order to save you from yourselves I am forced to take your freedoms away.
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Cool that you are a history buff! I'm not that studied on the subject but as far as I know nothing has worked long term or stood the test of time. All previous empires have fallen. I think we are currently headed towards a model of outspoken government care and subsidy "we the government will take care of you... just don't ask to do anything you want to do" type of thing. You want to be wealthy? Bummer, we need that money. You want to hunt with a firearm? Bummer, your gun might hurt someone. You want to speak your mind? Bummer, you might rile someone up and cause them to take inappropriate action. Etc.

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Mennoniteman said:
I'm somewhat into ancient world history, and have taught a few classes on it. Thinking of this "freedom for security" tradeoff that our current enlightened elites are trying to sell us, I'd be interested in having someone pointing out a few examples, anytime from the dawn of civilization right up to the present age, of this working out longterm for the good of the people in any given society?
For several months during this past year we were told that, for their own security, a two or three man crew of twenty year-olds no longer had the freedom to work outdoors building a barn. This may well be a harbinger of things to come, as we lose our freedoms one at a time, as we can't support our families anymore, governor Wolf tells us, I'm doing this for your own good. In order to save you from yourselves I am forced to take your freedoms away.
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For his own good, y’all need to see that Governor Wolf is put on the endangered species list. Maybe it’s not too late for PA, but I’m afraid NY is beyond help.
 
JohnL48 said:
I have a carrying permit in almost every state except the ones I live in and own a house in......time to go
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I get it John. Things are going to get worse in NY and NJ on many fronts, particularly taxes. Many high paying jobs are departing these states for good as employers realize remote work is both viable and cheaper. Remote workers will invariably flee these high tax stupid expensive states. All the while, the legislatures will continue to pursue high cost policies in their race to political correctness and a progressive Utopia. Revenues will fall and those that remain will be forced to make up the difference. I love it upstate in our little slice of heaven...but when retirement comes in another 10 years, I don’t know how I’ll be able to justify the obscene property taxes (our upstate property taxes are now approaching 13k) on top of the political BS. I spent 30 years in Idaho and Utah and could be happy there but demographics and politics are changing. Colorado is even further down that road because of the political control of the front range. Wyoming and Montana? Sure, they’re good today but the more desirable communities and attractive ranch land have become stupid expensive. Even parts of the south that I’ve always loved are changing.... So where are you headed?
 
Yeah not many areas to run to. I'm about 5 yrs from retirement and if I stay in NJ I will work til I die with the taxes and expenses here. And I'm losing my winter spirit every yr so going to a colder climate is out. I'm open to suggestions lol.
 
If y’all will bring conservative values with you, I’ll invite you to Texas. If you lean left, well, just google Brian Burns and “ Welcome to Texas”. It’s self explanatory.

We don’t have ND type weather very often like this last spell, it just gets hotter than hell’s hinges in the summer ! :)
 
Elkaddict said:
I get it John. Things are going to get worse in NY and NJ on many fronts, particularly taxes. Many high paying jobs are departing these states for good as employers realize remote work is both viable and cheaper. Remote workers will invariably flee these high tax stupid expensive states. All the while, the legislatures will continue to pursue high cost policies in their race to political correctness and a progressive Utopia. Revenues will fall and those that remain will be forced to make up the difference. I love it upstate in our little slice of heaven...but when retirement comes in another 10 years, I don’t know how I’ll be able to justify the obscene property taxes (our upstate property taxes are now approaching 13k) on top of the political BS. I spent 30 years in Idaho and Utah and could be happy there but demographics and politics are changing. Colorado is even further down that road because of the political control of the front range. Wyoming and Montana? Sure, they’re good today but the more desirable communities and attractive ranch land have become stupid expensive. Even parts of the south that I’ve always loved are changing.... So where are you headed?
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You have touched on several important factors that may influence the future of demographics a lot more than anyone of us realizes. The technology of working remotely and being able to shop online and get goods delivered quickly to just about anywhere in the world, that has got a huge advancement due to covid, could lead to a flood of relocation like the world has never seen before and we can't even imagine until we're in the middle of it, and I think it's already started. The giveaway is the fact that its difficult to purchase a lot of things, and when you analyze those items, most of the items are connected to things that have to do with relocating, such as housing and it's peripherals. Historically people lived in big cities, and states close to big cities, because that's where the money, the goods, and the security were. With those three now becoming available in more rural locations, plus a more peaceful setting, more elbow room, and low costs of living thrown in for good measure, it doesn't take an economist to foretell a mass exodus from cities and states with high taxes, ultimately leading to the collapse of the same. Because the real working class people that prop them up will be the first to go, leaving behind only takers and no givers. Check your investments, one of the first casualties will be muni bonds and real-estate prices in some of those localities.
 
What Mennoniteman projects will change things every where. The rate of people moving to this area to live full time has accelerated over the last 15 years or so already. The ability to work from anywhere will likely add to the amount of new people coming in. Hopefully some of the newcomers will be in the construction business. Right now builders are behind by about 1.5 years, meaning that is the wait time to get a project started (if they show up). It would seem to be a pretty good assumption that this will occur throughout the country. As it does real estate values will rise, taxes will go up and area makeup and character will change.
And definitely even here out in the country, no handguns can be kept in your house if you don't have a permit.
 
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