Deadeye
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I’d be willing to say there were lots of Peoples, in this land and others, that were “bowhunting and bowhunters” long before 1930 that might have a disagreement with that.
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I’d be willing to say there were lots of Peoples, in this land and others, that were “bowhunting and bowhunters” long before 1930 that might have a disagreement with that.
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Deadeye
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Ravens used their distance to draw people in. If I wanted to I could set mine at that distance and you could hit there too. Not a big deal really.
I had not hunted with a bow for 5-10 years when I bought my next compound set up. I was hitting the bull center in the first 5 shots. Today’s compounds are easy to shoot.
Beyond that we’ll just disagree on what is bow hunting. I enjoy legal and ethical hunting and wish others the same.
If you choose to pigeonhole yourself as special, go for it. Means nothing to me.
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Ron Kulas
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Nope! The words "Bowhunting" and "Bowhunter" did not exist prior to Roy Case coining those words. Today we can try to look back and apply those words to prior years but if you know the history of the sport you would understand your error.
Ron Kulas
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Not "Special" just a bowhunter but I support the crossers to do what they are doing with those weapons too.
lakngolf
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How far back does the words "Pompous" and "Ass" go?
Ron Kulas
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Ron Kulas
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The father of bowhunting seasons and licenses. The first state to have a bowhunting season and license was WI. Other states then copied the WI model. You are welcome.
https://www.bowhunting.net/2014/02/a-case-for-bowhunting/
http://www.bowhuntershalloffame.com/members/caseroy/index.html
https://www.bowhunting.net/2014/02/a-case-for-bowhunting/
http://www.bowhuntershalloffame.com/members/caseroy/index.html
DRandall90
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How many total deer were taken? 8 unrecovered out of 16 hunters seems excessive regardless of means. Were these experienced hunters?
Ron Kulas
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In calendar year 2019, I shot at with a bow and arrow and recovered 13 deer, a bull elk and an alligator. (100% recovery rate) and I still have more bowhunting to do.
Last year it was 4 deer, a water buffalo, a red stag, a Eurasian boar, 2 Polynesian pigs, a Hawaiian Vancouver bull, a Russian boar and again enjoyed a 100% recovery rate. Every animal shot with my bow was recovered. Most went down in sight of me.
In 2016 and 2017 I killed multiple animals/species and again enjoyed a 100% recovery rate.
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DRandall90
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Regardless of the intended meaning or coining of the term, bowhunting and bowhunter are broadly used to describe any person hunting with any recurve, longbow, compound bow or crossbow. I'd never heard the term "crossers" nor is there a defined term that is distinct for someone using a crossbow. Crossers seems to be something you just made up to say "I'm not like them."
Arguing that something wasn't intended to mean something is ignorant and naive. All that really matters is how the term is applied now. There are thousands of examples throughout history where the original intention isn't what we associate with it today.
Ron Kulas
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I laughed.
Im ok with you manufacturing any reality for yourself that helps you get through the day. Im good like that.I will say it again. While I am a bowhunter, I fully support the crossers to enjoy that different activity and someday I will have to quit bowhunting and become a crosser. I will not pretend to be or pose as a bowhunter at that time. I support and stand with all hunters and all weapons types both bowhunters and non-bowhunters.
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I think we all have our druthers and what we consider to be a best way and I will tell you I have been guilty of it myself but whether you don’t like something because it is not what you do but it is legal in your state then let your own moral compass be your guide on that and do what you see fit within the rules. When they came out about legalizing crossbows for general archery in Oklahoma I had a fit. I went to the meetings and let my feelings be known but guess what...it happened and the sky didn’t fall. It didn’t change much of anything. I can tell you nobody here is going to change their position because you don’t like it and making up derogatory names for it and saying they can’t get it done with a bow will not win you any friends... I have killed deer with a self bow I made from Osage off my own property with a wood dowel arrow, head I knapped out and turkey fletching I made from a bird I killed with a Recurve to killing deer with a .300 Win Mag. I have taken 7 deer at the MCAAP hunt in McAlester, Oklahoma in 5 hunts...if you know what that is... 3 years ago I tore my rotator cuff and either had to sit out archery or hunt with a crossbow. I am not much of a sitter outer...I used it and did kill a coyote with it. It got me off the couch. When I healed up just this last summer I got my compound out and in a couple shots was back on. I killed 2 much better than P&Y bucks with it this fall off my own small property.
I will tell you there are 3 things I don’t much care for but others really enjoy them and it gets them off the couch so I will support them. Those 3 things are high fence, guided hunts, and dog hunting for deer. Crossbow doesn’t even make it into the conversation.
I will tell you there are 3 things I don’t much care for but others really enjoy them and it gets them off the couch so I will support them. Those 3 things are high fence, guided hunts, and dog hunting for deer. Crossbow doesn’t even make it into the conversation.
Then maybe not call bow hunters that use a crossbow as crossers and comment that they can’t get it done any other way...
Drycreek
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Same here ! I started “fooling around” with a hickory longbow at about 13/14 years old, got a Shakespeare fiberglass recurve at 15 or so. Bought my arrows at Western Auto. I didn’t have a clue, but it was fun. So Ron, you ain’t the only guy who has a history with bows and arrows. I bought a Bear Whitetail II in 1978 and killed two deer with it that fall. No peep, no release, brass pins for sights. I’ve done it the hard way, but that’s nothing to brag about. I’ve hunted with just about every legal weapon that you can use, from that Bear up to and including an AR15, (my go-to for coyotes and hogs). From Montana mule deer to S Texas javelina, antelope in WY, to whitetails in Kansas. I say this not to impress anybody, as many others have eclipsed my accomplishments. I say all this to explain that I’m a hunter, just a hunter. Not a gun hunter, not a bowhunter, not a crossbow hunter, simply a hunter. I’m no better or worse than the next guy who hunts legally and ethically.
I have my own foibles, but I do not try to force them on others and I won’t allow others to force theirs on me. With that I’m out of this particular thread.
Ron Kulas
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They are not bowhunters. We hold these truths to be self evident. The term "Bowhunter" is not subject to revision. Have them take their crossbows to Oregon and try to take up the sport of Bowhunting (They cannot as it would be illegal) Try to take them to some Canadian territories. I support crossbowers to do their thing even if its not for me.
DRandall90
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I laughed.
I will say it again. While I am a bowhunter, I fully support the crossers to enjoy that different activity and someday I will have to quit bowhunting and become a crosser. I will not pretend to be or pose as a bowhunter at that time. I support and stand with all hunters and all weapons types both bowhunters and non-bowhunters.
Laugh all you would like, but I don't know a single person in my everyday life, which includes a ton of hunters that would bat an eye if someone said they were going bowhunting and got to camp and pulled out a crossbow. It's not legal here unless you meet certain criteria, but even so, I wouldn't flinch if those conditions were met.
This seems to be more on you than others. Like you are trying to prove a point. Which is fine I suppose, but it's not going to make you any friends.
DRandall90
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The term IS subject to revision. Every term is.
The term Nimrod is used to define an inept person, when it is actually the name of a skillful hunter from the bible.
The term Banquet is used to define an elaborate evening meal, when the origin of the word is used to describe something closer to a picnic.
The swastika is used to promote hate when it was originally a good luck charm.
Don't be so naive.
catscratch
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Humans are egocentric by nature. We tend to be self-centered and somewhat proud of our accomplishments. As a result we tend to feel belittled if someone diminishes an act that we are proud of.
To turn this around some I am proud to have ran many 100+ mile weeks and was at one time a decent marathoner/ultra-marathoner. I would feel diminished if someone asked about a certain marathon time that I ran then replied that they had beaten it, but later I found out he had actually done the distance on a bicycle and not on foot. I would feel happy that that person was in fact exercising, attaining better health, and enjoying competition... but he would have not done the same thing as I had. In turn I think most people who consider themselves "bowhunters" AND use a vertical bow take it somewhat personal when someone says they did the same thing as they did and it turns out to be a crossbow. I'm making some assumptions about human nature and painting with a broad brush here, but I feel like most of these debates return to the self wanting due credit for completing a difficult task and it not being diminished by a different task.
To turn this around some I am proud to have ran many 100+ mile weeks and was at one time a decent marathoner/ultra-marathoner. I would feel diminished if someone asked about a certain marathon time that I ran then replied that they had beaten it, but later I found out he had actually done the distance on a bicycle and not on foot. I would feel happy that that person was in fact exercising, attaining better health, and enjoying competition... but he would have not done the same thing as I had. In turn I think most people who consider themselves "bowhunters" AND use a vertical bow take it somewhat personal when someone says they did the same thing as they did and it turns out to be a crossbow. I'm making some assumptions about human nature and painting with a broad brush here, but I feel like most of these debates return to the self wanting due credit for completing a difficult task and it not being diminished by a different task.
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