If you want to have a fall attraction plot, I've done WR and RC within the woods in early Sept. Both grow well as leaves soon drop. Add couple bags of 19-19-19 and bag of Lime/ 100 yds of strip. Try to do before rain. I've still got RC growing in those areas after not doing the last 3 years. If you can cut trees down to open understory, success will improve. Good luck.