SHOULD GAME CAMERAS BE ALLOWED FOR HUNTING?

[Mennoniteman]

I'm surprised at the Sunday hunting thing, but I've never dealt with ANY of the issues you cited. Where I've spent my life game basically have Mon through Fri off to get back to normal patterns. We're 98% private land in KS. If you don't want to hear 4 wheelers so that you can have a peaceful afternoon with company you just kick them off your place. A lot of my life has been spent working 6 day weeks. If not for Sundays I'd had to basically give up hunting for a while.

Your stance on guns is admirable in my opinion. Parts of it I agree with. Crazies are going to kill people... because they are crazy. I don't think taking guns out of their hands is the way to stop them. Better culture in our country would help. Better mental health care would help. But the way I see it is that evil people hell bent on damage will find a way. Lots of places in this world that don't have many gun but are still very dangerous. Most would find a way. Mass knifings have happened, bombs happen, driving through crowds happens, lethal gas can happen, etc. So in my opinion until the evil can be cured or weeded out, they will continue to cause damage any way they can. Secondly is the constitution. The 2A isn't here for hunters, it was written for different reasons. I believe the founding fathers got it right and tread very lightly when considering a change (which I've put consideration into many times). Anyway, I don't hate your stance... I just don't look at the problem the same.

Thanks for the honest answer to my question. Love it!

PA allowing Sunday hunting isn't a hardship for me, I can still choose for myself, so I'm not complaining. I do know that more PA land closed to hunting because of it.
You bring out some very valid points on gun control, if guns were banned, fertilizer and diesel fuel would have to be banned next, and kitchen knives third. Maybe we need smarter minds coming up with new and creative ways to combat mass shootings; in Israel if a teen kills people they evict the parents and bulldoze their house, seems harsh, but it's been an effective deterrent for them.

 

[catscratch]

PA allowing Sunday hunting isn't a hardship for me, I can still choose for myself, so I'm not complaining. I do know that more PA land closed to hunting because of it.
You bring out some very valid points on gun control, if guns were banned, fertilizer and diesel fuel would have to be banned next, and kitchen knives third. Maybe we need smarter minds coming up with new and creative ways to combat mass shootings; in Israel if a teen kills people they evict the parents and bulldoze their house, seems harsh, but it's been an effective deterrent for them.

PA closed land when it opened up Sunday hunting? Or is it private land that people stopped allowing access to for hunting because PA opened it up? I'll be honest, I was pretty old when I first heard that some places didn't allow hunting on Sundays. It blew my mind! I had no clue that was a thing. It isn't based on biology, and it goes against Freedom of Religion and separation of Church and State. I'd blow a gasket if KS tried to implement the rule.


I'm truly perplexed about the gun thing. We have Politians and celebrities advocating and calling for political violence. There were people who celebrated or justified Charlie Kirk's assassination. People said the shooter at Trump's rally should have been a better shot. These are supposed to be the best and brightest and they are endorsing violence. It's no wonder the most mentally unhealthy among us don't know what to do with their feelings.

 

[Mennoniteman]

PA closed land when it opened up Sunday hunting? Or is it private land that people stopped allowing access to for hunting because PA opened it up? I'll be honest, I was pretty old when I first heard that some places didn't allow hunting on Sundays. It blew my mind! I had no clue that was a thing. It isn't based on biology, and it goes against Freedom of Religion and separation of Church and State. I'd blow a gasket if KS tried to implement the rule.


I'm truly perplexed about the gun thing. We have Politians and celebrities advocating and calling for political violence. There were people who celebrated or justified Charlie Kirk's assassination. People said the shooter at Trump's rally should have been a better shot. These are supposed to be the best and brightest and they are endorsing violence. It's no wonder the most mentally unhealthy among us don't know what to do with their feelings.

Let me explain a little better; In KS, Sunday hunting has been a part of your culture, and is still the same, whereas, in PA no Sunday hunting was a part of our culture, and always seemed normal, but now a part of our culture has changed.
Allowing Sunday hunting was not a big difference for townspeople who make up the biggest block of PA voters, and it's also still a choice for recreational land owners so no difference there, but it's something that is pretty big in the lives of farmers, a minority group without many votes. In PA no Sunday hunting was deeply ingrained in the farming community, and most opposed it, with the PA Farm Bureau leading the charge for a long time. Then in 2023, the PA Farm Bureau suddenly reversed their longstanding opposition to the practice, conditional to promised enhanced trespassing protections from the lawmakers pushing the bill, which left a lot of PA farmers feeling that the politicians and the Farm Bureau sold them out one more time.
Farmers are a different breed of people that most of the general public doesn't understand very well, and often doesn't care much about either, (because their food comes from the store), a fact that farmers are very much aware of. Again, Sunday hunting is really not a choice for farmers, as in one way or another, it's going to bring more hassle to their lives, so, having lost the fight and with the new law in effect, a fair portion of remaining open farms have changed their stance on allowing hunters on their property, either posting or, leasing for money to be able to control access better. Most this farmland was open to hunting when I was a boy 50 years ago, but PA hunters have now lost most of their free farmland hunting acres, with the Sunday hunting being the last straw in a long tug of war between the state and the farmers.
PA has 1.5 million acres of state game lands and 2.2 acres of state forest plus a lot of other county and watershed lands that are all public hunting, but farmland still dwarfs those numbers at 7.3 million acres; 4.4 million acres of cropland, almost a million acres of pastureland, and 1.5 million acres of woodland within its farms, rich croplands which have more game per acre than most public land, which is often sparse and rocky mountain ground.
Hunters unfortunately are some of the ones who often don't understand farmers, a hardworking people who face pressures and issues from a dozen different directions every day and who see most hunters as greedy opportunists. Hunters now think they're ahead with seven days a week to pursue their sport, but by not respecting the wishes of the biggest group of landowners they continue to have fewer acres and a lower quality of hunting available, as ever more of the most valuable resource that hunters have is lost to the next generation.

 

[catscratch]

Let me explain a little better; In KS, Sunday hunting has been a part of your culture, and is still the same, whereas, in PA no Sunday hunting was a part of our culture, and always seemed normal, but now a part of our culture has changed.
Allowing Sunday hunting was not a big difference for townspeople who make up the biggest block of PA voters, and it's also still a choice for recreational land owners so no difference there, but it's something that is pretty big in the lives of farmers, a minority group without many votes. In PA no Sunday hunting was deeply ingrained in the farming community, and most opposed it, with the PA Farm Bureau leading the charge for a long time. Then in 2023, the PA Farm Bureau suddenly reversed their longstanding opposition to the practice, conditional to promised enhanced trespassing protections from the lawmakers pushing the bill, which left a lot of PA farmers feeling that the politicians and the Farm Bureau sold them out one more time.
Farmers are a different breed of people that most of the general public doesn't understand very well, and often doesn't care much about either, (because their food comes from the store), a fact that farmers are very much aware of. Again, Sunday hunting is really not a choice for farmers, as in one way or another, it's going to bring more hassle to their lives, so, having lost the fight and with the new law in effect, a fair portion of remaining open farms have changed their stance on allowing hunters on their property, either posting or, leasing for money to be able to control access better. Most this farmland was open to hunting when I was a boy 50 years ago, but PA hunters have now lost most of their free farmland hunting acres, with the Sunday hunting being the last straw in a long tug of war between the state and the farmers.
PA has 1.5 million acres of state game lands and 2.2 acres of state forest plus a lot of other county and watershed lands that are all public hunting, but farmland still dwarfs those numbers at 7.3 million acres; 4.4 million acres of cropland, almost a million acres of pastureland, and 1.5 million acres of woodland within its farms, rich croplands which have more game per acre than most public land, which is often sparse and rocky mountain ground.
Hunters unfortunately are some of the ones who often don't understand farmers, a hardworking people who face pressures and issues from a dozen different directions every day and who see most hunters as greedy opportunists. Hunters now think they're ahead with seven days a week to pursue their sport, but by not respecting the wishes of the biggest group of landowners they continue to have fewer acres and a lower quality of hunting available, as ever more of the most valuable resource that hunters have is lost to the next generation.

Hmmm, you put it that way and it makes a ton of sense to me! I almost always side with farmers and ranchers. Salt of the earth usually, and have known their fair share of work in life. If they feel like they're getting screwed by the legislators, and taken advantage of by hunters... then they all means I can see why they'd not want that change. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, you've given me a point of view that I hadn't reached on my own.

 

[Mennoniteman]

Hmmm, you put it that way and it makes a ton of sense to me! I almost always side with farmers and ranchers. Salt of the earth usually, and have known their fair share of work in life. If they feel like they're getting screwed by the legislators, and taken advantage of by hunters... then they all means I can see why they'd not want that change. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, you've given me a point of view that I hadn't reached on my own.

And you have given me a point of view on semi automatic rifles that makes sense, that taking AR-15's out of the picture will probably not solve anything.

 

[RGrizzzz]

Let me explain a little better; In KS, Sunday hunting has been a part of your culture, and is still the same, whereas, in PA no Sunday hunting was a part of our culture, and always seemed normal, but now a part of our culture has changed.
Allowing Sunday hunting was not a big difference for townspeople who make up the biggest block of PA voters, and it's also still a choice for recreational land owners so no difference there, but it's something that is pretty big in the lives of farmers, a minority group without many votes. In PA no Sunday hunting was deeply ingrained in the farming community, and most opposed it, with the PA Farm Bureau leading the charge for a long time. Then in 2023, the PA Farm Bureau suddenly reversed their longstanding opposition to the practice, conditional to promised enhanced trespassing protections from the lawmakers pushing the bill, which left a lot of PA farmers feeling that the politicians and the Farm Bureau sold them out one more time.
Farmers are a different breed of people that most of the general public doesn't understand very well, and often doesn't care much about either, (because their food comes from the store), a fact that farmers are very much aware of. Again, Sunday hunting is really not a choice for farmers, as in one way or another, it's going to bring more hassle to their lives, so, having lost the fight and with the new law in effect, a fair portion of remaining open farms have changed their stance on allowing hunters on their property, either posting or, leasing for money to be able to control access better. Most this farmland was open to hunting when I was a boy 50 years ago, but PA hunters have now lost most of their free farmland hunting acres, with the Sunday hunting being the last straw in a long tug of war between the state and the farmers.
PA has 1.5 million acres of state game lands and 2.2 acres of state forest plus a lot of other county and watershed lands that are all public hunting, but farmland still dwarfs those numbers at 7.3 million acres; 4.4 million acres of cropland, almost a million acres of pastureland, and 1.5 million acres of woodland within its farms, rich croplands which have more game per acre than most public land, which is often sparse and rocky mountain ground.
Hunters unfortunately are some of the ones who often don't understand farmers, a hardworking people who face pressures and issues from a dozen different directions every day and who see most hunters as greedy opportunists. Hunters now think they're ahead with seven days a week to pursue their sport, but by not respecting the wishes of the biggest group of landowners they continue to have fewer acres and a lower quality of hunting available, as ever more of the most valuable resource that hunters have is lost to the next generation.

I don't know that I completely understand or believe this idea. If farmers allow hunting, what is the difference that Sunday makes? I could see unposted ground getting more traffic. I haven't seen any stats on how much farm land was posted vs not. I would guess from a liability standpoint, there arent many unposted farms anymore. If they are posted, but allow hunting, what really changes? More door knocks and phone calls? That's annoying, sure. I know farmers want to shoot more deer. It doesn't seem fair to me that they get red tags and the rest of the public loses out. Some sort of cooperation would benefit both parties. It's a situation where some folks won't be happy, no matter the choice.

 

[yoderjac]

They eased in Sunday hunting here in VA a few years back. It started with private land with permission of the land owner. It now covers some state and federal lands. I haven't seen much evidence that it has had much biological impact. There didn't seem to be much opposition from the farmers I know down here. No Sunday hunting comes from the old "blue laws". Personally, I would have preferred to keep no Sunday hunting, but now that it is here, I sometimes hunt on Sunday. Here, dog hunting is the big dispute between the dog hunting community and property owners.