Rye grass vs Turnips/radishes

[Tom Naumcheff]

I’m talking about which one wins out when all of them are on a food plot. I sprayed and killed rye grass before planting but it’s back and thick in spots. Other areas it’s pretty sparse. Turnips and radishes have germinated and are a few inches tall and about the same height as the rye grass. I fertilized with 12.12.12 and I’ve received some descent rain since planting about 10 days ago. I’ve seen grass choke out brassicas in my plot before but that was in a shaded area that wasn’t really a good spot for them to begin with. I’m wondering if I should kill the bad parts of the plot or let it go and hope the good stuff wins out.

Wish I could post a pic but can’t from my iPad.
Thanks

 

[Smallplot]

Rye grass is the issue. When many of us talk about rye we are taking about the rye grain.

Mixes with rye and brassica isn’t necessarily one is better than the other but what hole in the bucket you are trying to plug. They both have different aspects that deer find attractive and they both have different aspects from a soil health perspective. What niche are you looking for for drawing in deer? Early season, late season, temperatures, many things to think about when deciding what to plant.

I will say when so no-till brassicas into rye grain, they start off a bit behind but finish strong.

The grass will likely win out in a battle of growing plants. Clethodim may be your best friend.


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[Tom Naumcheff]

Thanks for the reply smallplot. In this instance I’m talking about rye grass as an uninvited guest in my plot, not about the cereal grain rye. It looks like it could choke out my brassicas if it grows quicker than the brassicas and starts to fill in. Just wondering if I should kill off the areas where it’s bad(along with my brassicas) and replant or will the brassicas out compete the rye grass and survive into hunting season. It’s getting to the point where it may be too late to replant brassicas so I may have to plant cereal rye, wheat and oats.

 

[RGrizzzz]

Hit it with some Clethodim. Won't hurt your brassicas.

 

[THE LLC]

Ryegrass will win out. My experience is it has allelopathic effects on the soil and will stunt or kill out the brassicas.

 

[Tom Naumcheff]

I’ve not used clethodim before and have some questions:

Does it dissipate like gly or does it stay active in the soil?

Is it necessary to use a surfactant?

Thanks

 

[Mennoniteman]

Clethodium label for Brassica's; Always use a crop oil concentrate at 1% v/v in the finished spray volume unless tank mix instructions indicate otherwise. For these crops, the addition of liquid fertilizer (AMS) is not recommended. Do not apply more than 8 fl. oz. per acre in a single application. For repeat applications, observe a minimum 14-day interval between applications. Mowing: The best control of annual grasses can be achieved by applying CLETHODIM 2E before grass weeds are mowed. Once a grass is mowed it becomes tougher to control, as much of the available leaf surface has been removed. Do not plant rotational crops until 30 days after application of CLETHODIM 2E. Do not plant any crop for 30 days after application unless clethodim is registered for use in that crop.

 

[Mennoniteman]

I’ve not used clethodim before and have some questions:

Does it dissipate like gly or does it stay active in the soil?

Is it necessary to use a surfactant?

Thanks

Also, don't expect fast results from clethodim, it stops the growth of the grasses right away, but works slowly as far as the killing proccess, you won't see dead grass for several weeks.

 

[Tom Naumcheff]

Also, don't expect fast results from clethodim, it stops the growth of the grasses right away, but works slowly as far as the killing proccess, you won't see dead grass for several weeks.

Thanks for all the info

 

[Smallplot]

There are other grass specific herbicides out there. I usually use Cleth but there are others to choose from.


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[KSQ2]

Just keep in mind, you won’t be able to broadcast a cereal grain for a month after applying clethodim. I know several of the crew on here are fans of filling in gaps in brassicas with winter rye.

 

[Tom Naumcheff]

Just keep in mind, you won’t be able to broadcast a cereal grain for a month after applying clethodim. I know several of the crew on here are fans of filling in gaps in brassicas with winter rye.

Thanks good to know. I was planning on filling in some spots with winter rye as early as next week.