Roller Crimped White Clover?

[MarkDarvin]

Has anyone ever done it? I wonder how white clover would respond to that.

 

[Mennoniteman]

White clover would be classified as a weed if it wasn't beneficial. It can have roots up to 8ft deep. Running over it with a roller crimper wouldn't even faze it. I drive through a thick stand of ladino with new R1 tires, which has the same effect, very similar to a roller crimper, and a week later you can't see the tracks anymore.

 

[DocHolladay]

Dr Woods was crimping clover in one of his latest videos, using the foot crimper in small plots. You can fast forward to 3:00 for rye info and 3:30 for clover info. It may not be enough info for you but it may help you a little.

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[Mennoniteman]

You might be on to something here for herbicide free weed control in white clover. I'd be interested in hearing more about this if someone wants to experiment. I don't have a roller crimper.

 

[MarkDarvin]

You might be on to something here for herbicide free weed control in white clover. I'd be interested in hearing more about this if someone wants to experiment. I don't have a roller crimper.

I don't have one either, but I do have a packer. One advantage (in this instance) with clover, is it should lay flat with ease. If a guy did one pass and then a second perpendicular pass, I wonder if you couldn't terminate it above ground and force new growth. I'm looking for ways to create a temporary summer seed opening in case I don't have or don't rent a mower this summer.

 

[catscratch]

I've done a this with my own version of a crimper. The clover came back, fescue and brome came back, other broadleafs did not recover from it.

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[T-Max]

This is a little off subject, but Cat were you looking to get rid of the brome and fescue? I have a good amount of it encroaching on my clover and Cleth doesn't seem to touch it.

 

[catscratch]

This is a little off subject, but Cat were you looking to get rid of the brome and fescue? I have a good amount of it encroaching on my clover and Cleth doesn't seem to touch it.

Yes! I don't like brome and fescue at all. Would be happy to eradicate it. I think I'm making headway with spraying gly on warm winter days. Other grasses are completely dormant then.

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[Mennoniteman]

I don't have one either, but I do have a packer. One advantage (in this instance) with clover, is it should lay flat with ease. If a guy did one pass and then a second perpendicular pass, I wonder if you couldn't terminate it above ground and force new growth. I'm looking for ways to create a temporary summer seed opening in case I don't have or don't rent a mower this summer.

I've never had much luck with a roller on anything other than freshly worked, loose soil. Anything like clover, stubble, sod, or turf and it just bumps across with little effect. It lays down the green growth and it stands right up again. Thats the reason for a crimper, to avoid this bumping across the high spots in the field and actually have some downpressure with a cutting effect.

 

[dogghr]

I don't have one either, but I do have a packer. One advantage (in this instance) with clover, is it should lay flat with ease. If a guy did one pass and then a second perpendicular pass, I wonder if you couldn't terminate it above ground and force new growth. I'm looking for ways to create a temporary summer seed opening in case I don't have or don't rent a mower this summer.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish ?? To plant other seed types into the crushed clover ? Or create more dense clover? Clovers, especially the whites, spread by stolons so it increases its thickness as its growth continues over time doing nothing but keeping it fed. But WC does love S&M. Beat it to death with tires of a tractor, atv, truck, etc and it will grow thicker and even spread into areas never planted that are given abuse. If you want to include other seeding, do so in heat of summer when it gets set back and growth is thinned. I do such each year with WR and Oat and Brassica.

This is a little off subject, but Cat were you looking to get rid of the brome and fescue? I have a good amount of it encroaching on my clover and Cleth doesn't seem to touch it.

Spread lime and gypsum to get ph to 6+ and Brome will begin to disappear . Fescue can only be killed by an act of God. But tillage and Gly can keep it back if one chooses.

 

[jlane35]

If you want to include other seeding, do so in heat of summer when it gets set back and growth is thinned. I do such each year with WR and Oat and Brassica.

How much of each seed are you broadcasting to be effective but also not hurt the clover for next years growth?

 

[dogghr]

How much of each seed are you broadcasting to be effective but also not hurt the clover for next years growth?

All of it will die by next summer allowing clover do it’s stuff. I use 25-50 # WR or WW. 50 of oats. 1-2# of each of PTT , DER, and a 5 of Daikon radish. I really don’t weigh seed anymore. Just eyeball , throw In hopper and spread. Good rain in forecast a plus. And several years of soil building rotations before T&M helps. Have to up your rates if using a broadcast method w/o tillage such as I now do.
Wheat deer love more. Rye better for weed control. Sometimes I mix the two.
If you want a pretty plot don’t do it. It’s ugly and a mix of lot of stuff. All of which serves a purpose and deer do t care. But after doing for a while even I have to sometimes work to accept its ugliness. The deer don’t complain.


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[jlane35]

All of it will die by next summer allowing clover do it’s stuff. I use 25-50 # WR or WW. 50 of oats. 1-2# of each of PTT , DER, and a 5 of Daikon radish. I really don’t weigh seed anymore. Just eyeball , throw In hopper and spread. Good rain in forecast a plus. And several years of soil building rotations before T&M helps. Have to up your rates if using a broadcast method w/o tillage such as I now do.
Wheat deer love more. Rye better for weed control. Sometimes I mix the two.
If you want a pretty plot don’t do it. It’s ugly and a mix of lot of stuff. All of which serves a purpose and deer do t care. But after doing for a while even I have to sometimes work to accept its ugliness. The deer don’t complain.


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I’m assuming you only mow your clover once a year then? Or do you not mow your clover? Because my father and I mow ours in June and August. So I’m thinking the August mowing would be no good for the new seed growth.

 

[dogghr]

I’m assuming you only mow your clover once a year then? Or do you not mow your clover? Because my father and I mow ours in June and August. So I’m thinking the August mowing would be no good for the new seed growth.

Now you going to have me make it complicated as that answer varies. Some years I will mow n May and Early July keeping clover about 9 in deep. Most yrs I let it go till grain terminates for the late summer planting. Or I may mow high to get weeds but leave clover alone.
I never mow past mid July as Aug is a tough month on WC.
All this depends in part on weather , my time, and honestly mostly my mood. For most areas but extreme north or south , WC and grains are simply Gods gift to the foodplotter. So cheap and easy requiring little input by the planter and the deer get fat. A person could plant only those and keep deer , turkey, and bear very happy all while improving the soil w nutrients and OM.


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[MarkDarvin]

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish ?? To plant other seed types into the crushed clover ? Or create more dense clover? Clovers, especially the whites, spread by stolons so it increases its thickness as its growth continues over time doing nothing but keeping it fed. But WC does love S&M. Beat it to death with tires of a tractor, atv, truck, etc and it will grow thicker and even spread into areas never planted that are given abuse. If you want to include other seeding, do so in heat of summer when it gets set back and growth is thinned. I do such each year with WR and Oat and Brassica.


Spread lime and gypsum to get ph to 6+ and Brome will begin to disappear . Fescue can only be killed by an act of God. But tillage and Gly can keep it back if one chooses.

I'm trying to plant fall stuff into crushed clover.

 

[dogghr]

I'm trying to plant fall stuff into crushed clover.

Then if it’s still thick at planting , mow it tight to ground and spread ur seed. You can’t kill the stuff. Last yr a major drought made my WC disappear. I was sure it would have to be replanted. This year thick as can be. It was just hiding. I once sprayed it heavy w gly thinking it would hinder my rotation planting and it jst came on stronger.
I think crimper works best for nearly dead cover crop. I know when I’ve tried my 1200# cultipacker on it , it jst laughs. But that is diff than crimper for sure. Just my thots.


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[MarkDarvin]

Then if it’s still thick at planting , mow it tight to ground and spread ur seed. You can’t kill the stuff. Last yr a major drought made my WC disappear. I was sure it would have to be replanted. This year thick as can be. It was just hiding. I once sprayed it heavy w gly thinking it would hinder my rotation planting and it jst came on stronger.
I think crimper works best for nearly dead cover crop. I know when I’ve tried my 1200# cultipacker on it , it jst laughs. But that is diff than crimper for sure. Just my thots.


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That's exactly what I ultimately want to be able to do. I'm a little ways out on getting the right mower for the job. Do you by any chance have pictures of when you've done this, and how it came up after? Also, what kind of mower are you using?

 

[dogghr]

That's exactly what I ultimately want to be able to do. I'm a little ways out on getting the right mower for the job. Do you by any chance have pictures of when you've done this, and how it came up after? Also, what kind of mower are you using?

Look on jlane thread Trying do Better. Spring/summer pics but gives the idea of 2 plots. Have other pics on computer but power out at moment.
I use a bushhog on tractor to mow.


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[MarkDarvin]

Look on jlane thread Trying do Better. Spring/summer pics but gives the idea of 2 plots. Have other pics on computer but power out at moment.
I use a bushhog on tractor to mow.


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How close to the ground can you get with that?

 

[dogghr]

How close to the ground can you get with that?

Well I do drop it to the ground to make dirt scrapes under limbs n the fall for man made scrape. Dirts aflyin


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