Dilemma - New Property

Mo-Ape

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I’m in the process of a farm swap, and I’m buying a top-end hunting farm in Missouri. I know the manager of the farm for the past 10-years and he harvested multiple B&C bucks and always had multiple booners to chase each season.

Not only is there an amazing age structure of bucks, there’s a high quantity of deer. He said he would typically 40-50 during late season hunts. I’ve been out three times and have seen no less than 20 deer each time and a large covey of quail each trip.

The farm is 160 acres - 40 tillable, 100 junky hickory-mixed timber & 20 acres of old field habitat and is surrounded by thousands of acres of agriculture. He treated most of the cover as sanctuary and would typically only hunt the food.

Besides a ‘green’ foodplot and leaving 10-acres of grain, nothing habitat-wise has been done for over 10-years, probably closer to 50.

The dilemma:
Being obsessed with habitat management, I’m struggling with charging in there with a saw, fire, etc. I know the work will only enhance what’s already there and provide exponential food/cover down the line, but on one hand why ‘touch what has been working’?

Sorry for the long post and posing a question that I already know the answer to, I’d just love to hear your thoughts. My past three farms it has been more of a “build it and they will come” scenario and much less of a turn key play, at least as far as deer management is concerned.

Here’s an aerial, thanks:
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I would do the same as has been done before. Keep all that cover as sanctuary and hunt the food. Do nothing for at least a couple years and then only make miner improvements here and there.
 
IF you like the results you are seeing based on what has been done so far......don't "fix it" if it isn't broken! There is a good chance the reason those deer are there is because of a lack of intrusion and disturbance. Learn everything you can about what he was doing and why and develop your own "baseline" - then monitor from a distance. Only once you start seeing changes would I start "tinkering". Obviously this is all if you bought the property simply to hunt and kill deer. IF you have a desire for other activities on the property - I fear those activities may negatively impact the deer.
 
I will be 100% supporting keeping most of the timber & old fields a sanctuary, but I will definitely have more human activity including potentially building a cabin, building a lake, etc. I will do this on the east side of the property along the road and as far away from the core as possible. I have 3 young kids who will want to be out there with me, but it’s not like we will be riding ATV’s all over.

I just know staring at 100+ acres of crowded hickory and scrub trees will drive me nuts. Sadly, most of the timber is 10” DBH or less. Also, the old fields need fire so badly it makes me shake :).



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I would say thank the neighbors for the success on that 160. They are more responsible for the quality and quantity of the deer there than the present landowner. I have 300 acres and often times different folks hunting on my place may see 30 deer in a day - at opposite ends of the ground. I am not producing that many deer - I am drawing them from my neighbor’s land. I dont have the age structure you speak of - and again - I can thank my neighbors for that.

I agree with the others - I would be cautious about doing anything. Those deer are drawn to that ground for a reason and it may well be lack of human activity. I dont really see how increasing the bedding cover can hurt in the long run - but I would be very fearful of increasing human activity. The best drawing power that property many have is lack of disturbance.
 
I’m probably not qualified to be giving advice on a property that is producing such large deer, but, man, I just want to say it looks really good!!



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I would take my time and as Buckly says make a plan and go so slow. Hunting only food would not satisfy me long no matter how large the deer are. Finding ways to make small changes to steer the deer travel ways and to take advantage of existing funnels to hunt from in the woods stands during peak daytime movement with as close to zero pressure on the deer would be my strategy to meet my goal to have the most fun hunting.
Now if my hunting goals were the same as the last owner then trying his system for a few years would be the program.

And as KDdid said, I am not qualified to give advice on killing Boone and Crockett deer as I have not yet ever done it nor do I expect to.
 
Another vote here for this being so good because of lack of human activity - and not doing anything - at least for a while.

We forget that deer don't necessarily prefer extremely thick cover because they like jungles. They gravitate to it because we put pressure on them and that's where they can hide from us the best.

Your cover may look a little open in winter, but it is fine if there is a lack of human presence. It might even be preferred. Don't mess with a good thing until it needs messing with....
 
Take this advise, your old growth fields don't need fire. They need the diversity that they currently have. They are a huge draw, part of it is the mix of trees, forbs, cedar, grass. The only thing I would do is kill some trees if you begin to get a canopy. Multiple booners every year on a 160, that's fantasy island!
 
With the amount of acreage that you have you could do two small test plots, using only a small percentage of your land, to see what works on this particular property, without risking the phenomenal hunting from past years. On one project I'd burn several acres of grass, not close to the center of the farm, but more off to the edge. Then really close to the small burn I'd do several acres of timber stand improvement, then sit back and watch how the test plots do with deer usage compared to the rest of the farm. You wouldn't really be risking anything, and it'd give you direction on what you want to do next, on a bigger scale, several years down the road.
 
Thank you all, I needed to hear a lot of this. I was ready to take a measured “it can only help long term” approach. One thing I think I will definitely do that shouldn’t mess too much up is edge feathering. The past farm manager even suggested that it would help a ton with concentrating deer entrances into the fields and screen their views as you approach the stands/blinds.


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Thank you all, I needed to hear a lot of this. I was ready to take a measured “it can only help long term” approach. One thing I think I will definitely do that shouldn’t mess too much up is edge feathering. The past farm manager even suggested that it would help a ton with concentrating deer entrances into the fields and screen their views as you approach the stands/blinds.


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I was about to suggest doing some screening, etc. around the edges. That should keep you busy for a while, accomplish a lot of beneficial things and scratch the itch to do habitat work....
 
I see a road and a Southern boundary that could be screened to improve security. Planting trees around the boundry is a good family project. What part of Missouri is this in?
 
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