Can pin oaks grow within a swamp?

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  1. Chipdasqrrl

    Chipdasqrrl Active Member

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    After a pin oak I bought this spring grew nearly 4 feet this year, I want to plant more. I understand that they will grow in moist soil, but my question is how wet can the soil be? I am looking to plant some in a swampy area that is a mix between soft maples, yellow birch, hemlock and cedar. Plenty of standing water in the spring, mostly mud in late Summer. With lots of small higher spots. The area I would like to plant looks similar to this. IMG_6306.JPG
     
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    Its name is quercus palustris, which literally means "of the swamp". its also called swamp spanish oak. it will do great in an area like that pictured above, as long as its not flooded full time. They do like some drying out periods .. Im planting a bunch around my pond. Ducks love the acorns.
     
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    They're also super easy to grow from acorns. They just need 60 days or so in the fridge. Don't wait for them to sprout a radicle, just pop them in some soil and leave outside. I grew 10 last year from a beautiful tree in Arlington cemetery that shades my dads grave. They're all being planted around the pond this coming fall.
     
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    Well that’s good to hear. I’ll give it a try
     
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    Now that's just Cool !!
     
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    Yeah, oak names are crazy.
    Quercus ellipsoidalis aka Hill's oak

    Quercus ellipsoidalis is a dry land species closely related to scarlet oak, another dry land type. I have some ellipsoidalis planted. They have great fall color.
     
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    I always thought it weird that my pin oaks grow fine in standing water that’ll kill every swamp white oak. They definitely can have wetter feet than a swamp white oak.


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    "The wild pin oaks of Essex County in Ontario grow over a high pH, calcium-rich clay. I have been growing these pin oaks on my family farm in clay soils that reject any nursery-grown pin oak I plant there. The Essex stock thrives in comparison. I also plant these Essex pins in London, Ontario in neutral to slightly alkaline soils where they also thrive! I think the nursery-grown pin oaks in Ontario originate from seeds collected further south in the USA where most pin oaks grown on acidic soils."

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/treeid/permalink/2200071083546028/?__tn__=-R

    Evidence that the rules are flexible with oaks. Find the right provenance and there is likely a solution to many problems.
     
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    Not sure about a "swamp" but I know pin oaks grow well here on wet and heavy clay soils. They also tend to grow fairly fast....for an oak. I know of one that I hated as a kid because it was small and I had to mow around and fight the lower branches.....that was when I was like 10 or 12 years old. It's so big now that I can't reach around it.....I'm 6+ feet tall and almost 45 years old. Now that growth is in a residential area so no competition....but it's possible.

    if I was planting an oak that I knew could be looking at a lot of water.....pin oak would certainly be on that list.
     
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  12. Hob 'n Grind

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    Hi there. I just came across this post and will agree with the others that pin oaks can grow in a swampy bottom area. I was really surprised to find several of them growing in my creek bottom that is wet almost year-round.
     
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    Water oaks and willow oaks do well in my clay ,poorly drained , creek bottom land

    bill
     

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