spraying clover and chicory food plot help

[shawn cox]

I am researching herbicides to spray my perineal clover and chicory plot. I see raptor is safe for it but my goodness the cost. I see Clearcast for aquatic vegetation has the same ingredients. Is it safe to use or is there a another herbicide I can use. I currently am just spraying it with cleth to kill the grasses but I have some different weeds that I need to take care of.

 

[Creek chub]

I am researching herbicides to spray my perineal clover and chicory plot. I see raptor is safe for it but my goodness the cost. I see Clearcast for aquatic vegetation has the same ingredients. Is it safe to use or is there a another herbicide I can use. I currently am just spraying it with cleth to kill the grasses but I have some different weeds that I need to take care of.

I’m interested and following too. I have 2 small perennial clover plots. I bought arrest if I remember right which I think is for grasses. I need something for broadleaf Control too

 

[shawn cox]

I’m interested and following too. I have 2 small perennial clover plots. I bought arrest if I remember right which I think is for grasses. I need something for broadleaf Control too

you can use 2,4d-b for broadleafs in clover plots but it will kill chicory I believe which is what I will run into but make sure it has the B at the end if you use 2,4d it will kill the clover.

 

[Tap]

Mixing chicory into your clover does complicate broadleaf herbicide choices. Raptor, aka Clearcast, aka Beyond are the same chemical. I believe that Clearcast is the cheapest version of that chemical (imazamox). It's expensive to buy a jug, but the ounces per acre cost is actually fairly cheap.
Imazamox has limitations, though. You can't spray it more than once (or twice??) per season. A lot of weeds just laugh at it, too. I didn't get a good kill on Canada Thistle. And weed size needs to be pretty small. Raptor is not very effective on mature weeds.
I believe that the main reason that it's considered an aquatic herbicide is because it doesn't contain surfactant (you need to add that for land applications). From what I've been told, it's the surfactant in herbicides that restrict it from being used near water.
You also need to add AMS to Raptor (as per the label).

 

[j-bird]

Keep in mind....not all weeds are bad. Controlling grasses and sedge in your plot you can do with specific chemicals. Timely mowing and a healthy clover stand will grossly help control weeds. Never let the weeds go to seed and try to leave the leaves on the clover when you mow....the shade it provides will help suppress other plants. You can also spot treat problematic weeds if needed or even consider using a weed-wiper type application method as well to target weeds. Also consider what soil and sunlight traits these weeds like and use that against them if/when possible as well.

 

[shawn cox]

Keep in mind....not all weeds are bad. Controlling grasses and sedge in your plot you can do with specific chemicals. Timely mowing and a healthy clover stand will grossly help control weeds. Never let the weeds go to seed and try to leave the leaves on the clover when you mow....the shade it provides will help suppress other plants. You can also spot treat problematic weeds if needed or even consider using a weed-wiper type application method as well to target weeds. Also consider what soil and sunlight traits these weeds like and use that against them if/when possible as well.

most of my bigger weeds I just spot spray with gly-i just keep it away from the chicory-I don't worry about the clover because it usually only sets it back a little and doesn't really hurt it. I was really just looking for an easier way to do a one shot spray with my boom sprayer and get all of it quick but I can't justify the price of Raptor lol. I will just keep doing what I have been doing.

 

[Creek chub]

most of my bigger weeds I just spot spray with gly-i just keep it away from the chicory-I don't worry about the clover because it usually only sets it back a little and doesn't really hurt it. I was really just looking for an easier way to do a one shot spray with my boom sprayer and get all of it quick but I can't justify the price of Raptor lol. I will just keep doing what I have been doing.

Does gly kill clover?

 

[Tap]

most of my bigger weeds I just spot spray with gly-i just keep it away from the chicory-I don't worry about the clover because it usually only sets it back a little and doesn't really hurt it. I was really just looking for an easier way to do a one shot spray with my boom sprayer and get all of it quick but I can't justify the price of Raptor lol. I will just keep doing what I have been doing.

Tell us what weeds you're wanting to kill.

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[G3 Ranch]

I bought a gallon of clearcast last year, sprayed a clover, alfalfa, chicory plot. I wasn't impressed. I do wonder what it would have looked like without it though. It also limits plant back options. I'm going to try just clethodim this year to take out the grass, if nasty broadleaves show I'll break out the clearcast again.

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[swat1018]

I've found that chickory is hard to wipe out. I've sprayed gly and 2,4-DB at different times. It killed the chickory that was present, but in time I had more and I never planted it. It's as thick as ever now. Your results may vary....

 

[shawn cox]

Does gly kill clover?

not perineal clover at least not for me, but you might want to do a test before you try it.

 

[shawn cox]

Tell us what weeds you're wanting to kill.

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my biggest problem is horseweed in it. last year I pulled a lot of it by hand but I have a bunch of new growth coming up in it this year in certain spots where the clover is thin. It isn't a huge problem but I am just trying to get it gone also have a bit of dovefoot geranium and a little nutsedge which I really want to get rid of because the hogs love it.

 

[Tap]

Does gly kill clover?

I would classify perennial clover as somewhat glyphosate resistant. When low dosage of gly is sprayed on mature perennial clover it will set it back and seems to have killed the clover, but the clover usually comes back.
When a full dose of gly is sprayed on clover, it will significantly damage it, but clover is difficult to completely eradicate with gly.
But one of the main concepts of weed control is to out-compete weeds with more desirable plants. I think that anytime we damage our crops, we open up the possibility of weeds filling in while the clover it weakened. I wouldn't purposely spray a healthy clover plot with glyphosate.

 

[shawn cox]

I would classify perennial clover as somewhat glyphosate resistant. When low dosage of gly is sprayed on mature perennial clover it will set it back and seems to have killed the clover, but the clover usually comes back.
When a full dose of gly is sprayed on clover, it will significantly damage it, but clover is difficult to completely eradicate with gly.
But one of the main concepts of weed control is to out-compete weeds with more desirable plants. I think that anytime we damage our crops, we open up the possibility of weeds filling in while the clover it weakened. I wouldn't purposely spray a healthy clover plot with glyphosate.

yes I only use 2 ounces a gallon but I am trying to get away from stressing my clover at all and I don't want to create any gly resistant weeds which is one of the reasons I was trying to find out about different herbicides for different treatments. I just ordered me a weed wiper to see if that will be the ticket for me on the horseweed instead of treating it by hand.

 

[Tap]

yes I only use 2 ounces a gallon but I am trying to get away from stressing my clover at all and I don't want to create any gly resistant weeds which is one of the reasons I was trying to find out about different herbicides for different treatments. I just ordered me a weed wiper to see if that will be the ticket for me on the horseweed instead of treating it by hand.

I completely agree with not wanting to develop gly resistant weeds.
I give Ed Spinazzola a lot of respect for his plotting knowledge but I think he's dead wrong when he advises spraying low strength doses of gly on clover.

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[shawn cox]

I completely agree with not wanting to develop gly resistant weeds.
I give Ed Spinazzola a lot of respect for his plotting knowledge but I think he's dead wrong when he advises spraying low strength doses of gly on clover.

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yes I agree. I am not wanting to create any headaches in the future. I believe after researching it that the weed wiper will be a great benefit to me on this type of mixed plot.

 

[sagittarius]

I completely agree with not wanting to develop gly resistant weeds.
I give Ed Spinazzola a lot of respect for his plotting knowledge but I think he's dead wrong when he advises spraying low strength doses of gly on clover.

Ed's recommendation was 2 qts/acre on lush green and growing clover that is not stressed.

 

[Tap]

Ed's recommendation was 2 qts/acre on lush green and growing clover that is not stressed.

Page 77 of his book advocates spraying mixture of one cup gly plus of AMS one cup in a 4 gallon sprayer. He doesn't mention the ounce-per-acre rate in that paragraph. It's hard to determine exactly what the ounce-per-acre that he's talking about. Usually, the applied rate calls for ounces-per-acre, so I'm assuming he is saying that the 4 gallon mix is for an acre?? With only one cup of gly?? He may be talking about a spot spraying mixture and not a per-acre mix, we don't know. He should have clarified that a little better.

BUT...
Then on page 148 he advocates spraying one quart of Roundup and one quart of AMS per acre on legumes.
Although he's a bit inconsistent or vague in those recommendations, he is non-the-less saying to mix glyphosate at a lower rate than what the label calls for. That, IMHO, is not responsible spraying.

 

[sagittarius]

"one cup gly plus of AMS one cup in a 4 gallon sprayer." This is for spot spraying with a common 4 gallon backpack sprayer, or spraying small remote sites by hand. "one quart of Roundup and one quart of AMS per acre on legumes." This is for killing green growing grasses.

Usually, the applied rate calls for ounces-per-acre, so I'm assuming he is saying that the 4 gallon mix is for an acre??

Usually applied rates are in qts per acre. This way you know how much gly is to be applied on a given area. When hand spraying, control goes out the window.

 

[Tap]

"one cup gly plus of AMS one cup in a 4 gallon sprayer." This is for spot spraying with a common 4 gallon backpack sprayer, or spraying small remote sites by hand. "one quart of Roundup and one quart of AMS per acre on legumes." This is for killing green growing grasses.

Usually applied rates are in qts per acre. This way you know how much gly is to be applied on a given area.

Quarts are made up in ounces. 2 quarts = 64 ounces. Same difference.
The point is, spraying certain weeds with lesser doses of quarts, ounces, liters or however you choose to measure, can contribute to developing gly-resistant weeds.
I was just trying to help with the earlier question as to whether gly kills clover or not. The answer is yes and no. A light enough dose won't kill clover but it won't kill a lot of troublesome weeds either. A per-label dose is gonna put a hurting on the clover, but it will probably come back. Clover seems to be almost a naturally occurring "weed" in my plots. It doesn't much matter how much gly I spray on clover...it always has some presence in my plots, but I'm not complaining. Of all the stuff we grow, clover is still king around here.