No Rage rule with outfitters

[Bullwinkle]

I've had great success with rage including blowing through shoulder blades on deer and atelope. Never had a problem

I think the old rule outfitters have with no rage broadheads need to be modified

My moose and elk guides don't allow rage. I'd argue if you accuracy is more important than fixed vs rage if you shoot enough poundage and a heavy arrow. My accuracy goes in the ditch with fixed blades and this is most importamt

 

[Vandy]

shot rage since I started always worked/work great. Didn't know this was a thing, should probably look into it a little more before going west

 

[Blizzard Ridge]

We allow them. I actually shoot the hypodermic Rage without an issue. My big 174" buck piled up within 150 yards and I watched the blood pumping as he slowly walked away. Put shots where they are supposed to go and it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[j-bird]

I shoot rage on my x-bow and have been impressed......I simply haven't switched my vertical bow over. For some reason I got significantly more "planning" of fixed blades out of the cross-bow, so I went to the rage type head to reduce the surface area to reduce the "planning". Obviously something that needs to be considered when hunting out of state or with an outfitter.

 

[DocHolladay]

I have never been a fan of the Rage broad head, but I don't see why an outfitter should limit what head a customer uses.

 

[Reagan]

An elk shoulder is not the same thing as your sub 150 deer shoulder Bull.

If an outfitter chooses to make the rule, he is free to do so. I'm sure some outfitters don't want to spend valuable season time tracking an animal that may be lost due to a mechanical.

Of course I don't hunt with outfitters so what do I know?


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[Familytradition]

I think everyone has seen what a rage can do, but I have had terrible luck with them. I lost 3 nice bucks before I figured out what was wrong. I think in my case, they simply were not opening up.


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[SwampCat]

I shot a bear in Ontario a few years ago. Hit farther back than I intended. Outfitter said they would have lost that bear with a non-mechanical. After seeing the damage the rage did, He said he might advise his clients to use them. I told him the bigger mechanicals were not as effective on shoulder shots. He said neither are fixed blades - and besides, he said they had a lot more game - especially - shot back than forward. That has been my personal experience - I am much more likely to shoot one back than forward.

 

[Blizzard Ridge]

I am guessing the majority of lost deer from Rage shooters would have been lost with a fixed broadhead. I have killed dozens of deer with Rage and other mechanical broadheads and have failed to lose one yet....knock on wood. Most have died within eyesight and the ones that weren't died within 150 yards. The one I killed last year poured blood out from impact to where I found him laying. If you aim for a double lung it doesn't matter what broadhead you shoot the deer will be dead within 150 yards. The shots that tend to get folks in trouble is aiming up tight to the shoulder for a heart shot. Too much room for error. Aim a little higher and a little further back and you can get both lungs and a bit of heart.

 

[Familytradition]

I am guessing the majority of lost deer from Rage shooters would have been lost with a fixed broadhead. I have killed dozens of deer with Rage and other mechanical broadheads and have failed to lose one yet....knock on wood. Most have died within eyesight and the ones that weren't died within 150 yards. The one I killed last year poured blood out from impact to where I found him laying. If you aim for a double lung it doesn't matter what broadhead you shoot the deer will be dead within 150 yards. The shots that tend to get folks in trouble is aiming up tight to the shoulder for a heart shot. Too much room for error. Aim a little higher and a little further back and you can get both lungs and a bit of heart.

Funny thing is this is my preferred gun shot, but I get so worried about gut shooting one; I tend to move forward with my bow. On the largest of the bucks I lost; I hit both lungs high. He lived for 6 weeks before a neighbor shot him in gun season. He could not believe that the deer was alive. The only thing that I thing that I think could of happened is the rage didn't expand and he some how survived the pencil holes in his lungs.


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[Familytradition]

I am guessing the majority of lost deer from Rage shooters would have been lost with a fixed broadhead. I have killed dozens of deer with Rage and other mechanical broadheads and have failed to lose one yet....knock on wood. Most have died within eyesight and the ones that weren't died within 150 yards. The one I killed last year poured blood out from impact to where I found him laying. If you aim for a double lung it doesn't matter what broadhead you shoot the deer will be dead within 150 yards. The shots that tend to get folks in trouble is aiming up tight to the shoulder for a heart shot. Too much room for error. Aim a little higher and a little further back and you can get both lungs and a bit of heart.

Funny thing is this is my preferred gun shot, but I get so worried about gut shooting one; I tend to move forward with my bow. On the largest of the bucks I lost; I hit both lungs high. He lived for 6 weeks before a neighbor shot him in gun season. He could not believe that the deer was alive. The only thing that I thing that I think could of happened is the rage didn't expand and he some how survived the pencil holes in his lungs.


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[Bullwinkle]

Rage just won a lawsuit with knockoff from China. I heard they didn't open up. Make sure you buy your rage from a big chain store like Cabelas and I don't think you'll have a problem

I don't know about you guys but I'd take accuracy of rage over fixed blades every time.

There are two problems with expandable in my mind. Not shooting enough kinectic energy and taking hard angled shots.

 

[DocHolladay]

I have always told people that if you poke a hole in a deer's heart, they can run forever because thy are still getting oxygen and a little blood flow to the brain. If you poke a hole in their lungs, they collapse and if you can't breathe, you can't run.

 

[Reagan]

Everyone keeps referring to deer.

Deer are tough. No doubt about it. But the original troll was about moose and elk.

An expandable has no business being used on the biggest game. An elk can walk faster than you can run. I think two holes draining for a blood trail is an important trait for your broad head. An expanding broad head will consume some amount of energy that may stop a pass through from happening. It's not worth the risk.

If the OP wants to hunt big big game, he should go DIY if he doesn't like his outfitter rules. But I doubt that is his style.


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[Bullwinkle]

I have to eat my tag if I draw blood. I am 100% confident I can kill an elk efficiently with a rage

My moose outfitter lets me use expandables. He doesn't like rage but let's me use ulmer heads

 

[Bullwinkle]

I killed this boar in TX in May with a rage. These animals are the toughest I've bow hunted. Thick hide, solid built animal and mean. Rage left a massive blood trail. Only one hole, hit the opposite shoulder and stopped the arrow dead.

This is a really fun hunt by the way, hope to do it again

 

[alldaysit]

I don't blame them. All the above were shot through a 70lb Mathews at the same target at the same distance. The orange tape indicates how deep they buried into the target from the tip. The two blade mechanical significantly underperformed in penetration.

I was sighted in with the Rage for archery season, at 50 yards with the 150 grain right bevel single blade cutthroat (far right) I was shooting six inches low but just as accurate. Can't wait to slice one up this fall.


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[Kwood]

I'm not a rage fan. Not a mechanical fan. I'd rather have something cutting if left inside. That said, if you pop the balloons any animal will die.

You make a poor shot it doesn't usually matter what you shoot. I think how you shoot it is more important than what you are sticking on end of arrow.

That said, all things equal I like a cut on contact.


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[SwampCat]

http://www.seafwa.org/26Pedersen_et_al_163-166.pdf

Only real life hunting comparison between fixed and mechanical. Also, consider mechanicals are better now than they were during the study.

 

[Reagan]

View attachment 8146 I killed this boar in TX in May with a rage. These animals are the toughest I've bow hunted. Thick hide, solid built animal and mean. Rage left a massive blood trail. Only one hole, hit the opposite shoulder and stopped the arrow dead.

This is a really fun hunt by the way, hope to do it again

Long arm hero shot. Not surprised.


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