Name these shrubs

[g squared 23]

I'm trying to expand my knowledge of native plants. My tree IDing is coming along a lot better than my shrubs. I've got 2 that were right next to each other that I'd love some help with.

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[g squared 23]

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I snapped both of the stems and neither were hollow. Also crushed the leaves and neither had much of an odor. This is a lower lying moist spot with quite a bit of shade. Thanks in advance.


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[Native Hunter]

There are three types of dogwoods that I am aware of that can have white berries - Red Osier, Rough Leaf and Grey. All of them can have somewhat of a red cast to the stems, but as a general rule, the RO has the most and Grey has the least. Rough Leaf can have a hairy appearance on young stems and leaves. The best way to tell them apart is the blooms which are somewhat different.

I'm going to say that one is Red Osier.

That second shrub is bush honeysuckle. Look at this link. http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/weedguide/single_weed.php?id=54

Edit - just noticed you said the stems were not hollow. Hmmmm, sure looks like BH. Did you snap one on a larger limb?

If not Bush Honeysuckle - look up Coralberry and Fly Honeysuckle. Both are look alikes but I don't have either growing here and don't know them very well.

Good luck..........

 

[g squared 23]

There are three types of dogwoods that I am aware of that can have white berries - Red Osier, Rough Leaf and Grey. All of them can have somewhat of a red cast to the stems, but as a general rule, the RO has the most and Grey has the least. Rough Leaf can have a hairy appearance on young stems and leaves. The best way to tell them apart is the blooms which are somewhat different.

I'm going to say that one is Red Osier.

That second shrub is bush honeysuckle. Look at this link. http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/weedguide/single_weed.php?id=54

Edit - just noticed you said the stems were not hollow. Hmmmm, sure looks like BH. Did you snap one on a larger limb?

If not Bush Honeysuckle - look up Coralberry and Fly Honeysuckle. Both are look alikes but I don't have either growing here and don't know them very well.

Good luck..........

I'll go back and snap a larger branch. I didn't get the bush honeysuckle "feeling" as that is the only one I can often recognize because I hate it so much. But looking at the picture, it sure does look like BH. I'll investigate further next time I'm at the farm and get to the bottom of it.

I was hoping for dogwood on the first. It will be fun to figure out which one, will keep my eyes on this one in the spring and check out the blooms. Either way it's cool to have something around that is useful for wildlife instead of nothing but ****ing BH.


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[Heart shot]

The second picture sure looks like a version of BH. Sometime it might be called Amur Honeysuckle. It is a version of the invasive Bush honeysuckle family. I'd recommend a hot dose of Gly!

 

[j-bird]

I'm of know help. The first is a dogwood of some sort I'm pretty certain and I would have sworn the second to be JBH - I would certainly cut a larger stem to see if it is hollow......I'm not familiar with anything that looks like that, but isn't that. I kill anything that looks like that! You could mark it and watch it and see if it develops any other traits that may help ID it.

 

[g squared 23]

Well I did cut a bigger stem, and yep, it was hollow. The bark in that area was also what I've been accustomed to seeing with bush honeysuckle. It will be a constant battle against the stuff, but it's nice to have some natives competing.

There were at least half a dozen of the dogwoods in the area, so eventually I might have a nice little thicket.


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[j-bird]

Well I did cut a bigger stem, and yep, it was hollow. The bark in that area was also what I've been accustomed to seeing with bush honeysuckle. It will be a constant battle against the stuff, but it's nice to have some natives competing.

There were at least half a dozen of the dogwoods in the area, so eventually I might have a nice little thicket.


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Just make sure with JBH that you kill it and don't just piss it off and that you don't go dragging around branches or roots or the like and accidentally spread it! Also make sure it's dead before you open up anything for them dogwoods.....shade, heavy shade is the one thing where it will hold it somewhat in check......you give it sunlight and it's literally a can of worms! Good luck!!!

 

[g squared 23]

Update on shrub #1. Here are what the flowers look like. What type of dogwood do we likely have?


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[Native Hunter]

Refer back to my original post. I mentioned 3 dogwoods that have white berries.

The blooms in your latest pictures look like Gray Dogwood. It distinguishes itself from the other two by the dome shaped flowers that are about as tall as they are wide. The other two have flat topped flowers that are wider than they are tall. Unless I am having an "optical delusion" those flowers look dome shaped to me.

Another characteristic of Gray is that the leaves are slightly more slender than the other two. Your leaves look somewhat more slender than the RODs at my farm.

Grey Dogwood is my final answer.

For anyone else reading this, it should illustrate why good clear pics like g squared has posted are important. So many species are extremely similar, and you can only differentiate them sometimes with subtle differences.

If a question is worth asking, it deserves a good answer. A good answer cannot be given without good pictures and good information. If a question isn't important enough to put forth enough effort to get a good answer, then it probably should have never been asked. Sermon over - have a blessed day.……..

 

[g squared 23]

Refer back to my original post. I mentioned 3 dogwoods that have white berries.

The blooms in your latest pictures look like Gray Dogwood. It distinguishes itself from the other two by the dome shaped flowers that are about as tall as they are wide. The other two have flat topped flowers that are wider than they are tall. Unless I am having an "optical delusion" those flowers look dome shaped to me.

Another characteristic of Gray is that the leaves are slightly more slender than the other two. Your leaves look somewhat more slender than the RODs at my farm.

Grey Dogwood is my final answer.

For anyone else reading this, it should illustrate why good clear pics like g squared has posted are important. So many species are extremely similar, and you can only differentiate them sometimes with subtle differences.

If a question is worth asking, it deserves a good answer. A good answer cannot be given without good pictures and good information. If a question isn't important enough to put forth enough effort to get a good answer, then it probably should have never been asked. Sermon over - have a blessed day.……..

Duplicate, sorry

 

[g squared 23]

I appreciate the feedback; I can study the pictures in books and on the internet myself and not get very far; getting input from other guys on how they differentiate closely related plants really helps clarify things and makes me a better land manager.

This is an interesting and entertaining game for sure! Happy plant identifying to all!!