Muzzleloaders...Check this out

[j-bird]

Just for anyone who thinks J-bird might be exaggerating the influence of money on policy in our state of Indiana, the dipshits who ramrodded through the high powered rifle hunting, despite the IDNR's recommendation, so poorly wrote the legislation that in the first year it was legal to use a .243 or any .30 caliber round but a .270 Winchester round was illegal. So no .270 Win, but if you wanted to kill a deer with a .300 Weatherby Magnum have at it. Also illegal were 7mm-08, any 6.5 caliber. I figure the rpg's will come into play by next season....

Actually the first year the way the legislation was written if I recall properly it only legalized the .243, .30-30, .30-06, .308 & I think .300 ( I know they actually only listed 5 specific cartridges). The DNR then had to later cook it down to something logical (greater then .243 with some other limitations). But the basic fact that MONEY influenced the policy still stands. I will also agree with another statement that the only reason I bought a muzzleloader in the first place was because of the greater accuracy vs a slug (with less recoil) and the additional hunting season. If I had been allowed to use a rifle for 3 months....very few folks would buy these other weapons....in fact I would have never picked up a bow or crossbow for that matter.

 

[Hoosierhunting]

Actually the first year the way the legislation was written if I recall properly it only legalized the .243, .30-30, .30-06, .308 & I think .300 ( I know they actually only listed 5 specific cartridges). The DNR then had to later cook it down to something logical (greater then .243 with some other limitations). But the basic fact that MONEY influenced the policy still stands. I will also agree with another statement that the only reason I bought a muzzleloader in the first place was because of the greater accuracy vs a slug (with less recoil) and the additional hunting season. If I had been allowed to use a rifle for 3 months....very few folks would buy these other weapons....in fact I would have never picked up a bow or crossbow for that matter.

HEA 1232 they named those cartridges but the law then said including but not limited to.

DNR offered the following clarification on the law:

The new legal cartridges include, but are not limited to, the .243 Winchester, .30-30 Winchester, .300 AAC Blackout, and .30-06 Springfield.
Additional requirements are:

• The rifle must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches
• The rifle cartridges must have a cartridge case length of least 1.16 inches
• The rifle cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is
• .243 inches (or 6 mm); or
• .308 inches (or 7.62 mm)
• No cartridges with a bullet diameter between .243 and .308 are legal (such as the .270 Winchester)

Additional cartridges that are legal under HEA 1231 include, but are not limited to, the following:

• 6mm-06
• 6mm BR Remington
• 6mm PPC
• 6mm Remington
• .240 Weatherby
• .243 Winchester
• .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
• .30 Carbine
• .30 Herrett
• .30 Remington AR
• .30-06 Springfield
• .30-30 Winchester
• .30-40 Krag
• .300 AAC Blackout (.300 Whisper)
• .300 H&H Magnum
• .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum
• .300 Savage
• .300 Weatherby Magnum
• .300 Winchester Magnum
• .300 Winchester Short Magnum
• .300 Remington Ultra Magnum
• .308 Marlin
• .308 Winchester
• 7.62x39mm
• 7.62x54mmR

That’s the thing, it was so poorly written by the politicians ignoring IDNR input that the IDNR has to then try to make clarifications and explain to the public off the record that the reason it didn’t make any sense was because a bunch of dipshit politicians ramrodded the legislation through.


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[Mennoniteman]

This is so right ! The only two muzzleloaders that I own are a TC Hawkins repro and a .50 caliber barrel for my TC Encore. When Texas implemented a MZ late season many years ago I bought an Austen & Halleck .50 caliber in-line MZ to take advantage of it. Up to 150 yards it was almost as accurate as my 25-06. It might have been good to 200 yards but I never tried it that far.

I’m quite sure that in-lines and MZs using a chamber insert (Savage) to use smokeless powders were not what was envisioned. Certainly not a cartridge that isn’t called a cartridge (but is nevertheless) was not was they had in mind.

Agree with you Dogghr. Times are certainly changing. But I am as guilty as the next person. I have two muzzleloaders, a Lyman flintlock and a custom Smokeless which I have target shot passed 100 yards and killed at 400 yards. But my flintlock is one of my most fun hunting weapons. after numeros practice shots to over come the sparks in your eye and the slight firing delay. You can hunt all day and just at dusk as the deer are walking by your tree stand which you sat out in the sleet all day keeping your pan powder dry and the gun goes click- click and the 3rd time the doe bust you and they run off. (this was last saturday adventure) But if it would have went off that would have been a rewarding deer kill. The hunt was still fun. Old school ML half the fun is in the adventure. I can remember when I bought my first compound bow and joined local bow club. Old timers there called my bow with training wheels, some of those would be rolling over in the grave at the crossbows of today.LOL

I think you meant to say "target shot my inline muzzleloader at 1000 yards". Which is amazing. Davy Crockett would be impressed.

 

[Double L]

I think you meant to say "target shot my inline muzzleloader at 1000 yards". Which is amazing. Davy Crockett would be impressed.

Oops. Yes your correct.


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[j-bird]

HEA 1232 they named those cartridges but the law then said including but not limited to.

DNR offered the following clarification on the law:

The new legal cartridges include, but are not limited to, the .243 Winchester, .30-30 Winchester, .300 AAC Blackout, and .30-06 Springfield.
Additional requirements are:

• The rifle must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches
• The rifle cartridges must have a cartridge case length of least 1.16 inches
• The rifle cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is
• .243 inches (or 6 mm); or
• .308 inches (or 7.62 mm)
• No cartridges with a bullet diameter between .243 and .308 are legal (such as the .270 Winchester)

Additional cartridges that are legal under HEA 1231 include, but are not limited to, the following:

• 6mm-06
• 6mm BR Remington
• 6mm PPC
• 6mm Remington
• .240 Weatherby
• .243 Winchester
• .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
• .30 Carbine
• .30 Herrett
• .30 Remington AR
• .30-06 Springfield
• .30-30 Winchester
• .30-40 Krag
• .300 AAC Blackout (.300 Whisper)
• .300 H&H Magnum
• .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum
• .300 Savage
• .300 Weatherby Magnum
• .300 Winchester Magnum
• .300 Winchester Short Magnum
• .300 Remington Ultra Magnum
• .308 Marlin
• .308 Winchester
• 7.62x39mm
• 7.62x54mmR

That’s the thing, it was so poorly written by the politicians ignoring IDNR input that the IDNR has to then try to make clarifications and explain to the public off the record that the reason it didn’t make any sense was because a bunch of dipshit politicians ramrodded the legislation through.


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In any case, we obviously had people making laws/writing legislation that had no idea what they where talking about....typical politicians!

 

[Doe Shooter]

This strikes me as a solution in search of a problem. I've used a smokeless ML since 2003. With the strides in smokeless ML'S it's interesting but un-necessary.