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Weeds are ok, but grass is like having a mouse or a few ants in your house, you can't just ignore it because it multiplies until all the good stuff is ruined.
I completely agree. I've developed such a hate for fescue that when our retirement home is complete, we won't have a yard. Bunch grasses are fine, but when the percentage gets high, it is time to rotate. I find most (but not all) broadleaf weeds in a plot to be an asset.
 
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I completely agree. I've developed such a hate for fescue that when our retirement home is complete, we won't have a yard. Bunch grasses are fine in, but when the percentage gets high, it is time to rotate. I find most (but not all) broadleaf weeds in a plot to be an asset.
@Native Hunter yup, listen to what yoder says about Kentucky 31 fescue, even a sheep could tell you, it's baaaad stuff 🤣
 
Menn I get it about grasses but I watch clover in my yard destroy grass in days so I'm not sure your correct.
Clover and grass are in a constant battle, clover eats carbon and raises nitrogen to a point that it weakens from lack of food and grass takes over because grass eats nitrogen and raises carbon to a point that it weakens from lack of food and clover takes over, repeating the cycle.
In our food plots we take advantage of this cycle and make it work for us.
 
I have a new spot to deal with. I was not expecting this to come up. In the process of clearing for the new house, the bulldozer guy cleared off a fenceline for me that had grown up with red cedar. I had not expected this much disturbed, but I now have 150 yards of old pasture opened up running out to the pond.

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It stretches from the pond back to the existing house. It has one problem: it is filled with a lot of rock at the surface, probably too much to roto-till.

I'd like some suggestions on what to plant in it. Ideally, I'll just make it another food plot for now. I've promised it to the wife as a butterfly garden, but it'll be a year or so before that will happen.

Many thanks in advance.
 
I have a new spot to deal with. I was not expecting this to come up. In the process of clearing for the new house, the bulldozer guy cleared off a fenceline for me that had grown up with red cedar. I had not expected this much disturbed, but I now have 150 yards of old pasture opened up running out to the pond.

20250713_152009.jpg


It stretches from the pond back to the existing house. It has one problem: it is filled with a lot of rock at the surface, probably too much to roto-till.

I'd like some suggestions on what to plant in it. Ideally, I'll just make it another food plot for now. I've promised it to the wife as a butterfly garden, but it'll be a year or so before that will happen.

Many thanks in advance.
At this time of year, I would be getting ready to plant a mix of winter rye and either an annual clover or a perennial clover. How to go about this depends on your soils. I have heavy clay. It compresses easily with heavy equipment. When I reclaim logging decks, I first had to use a sub-soiler to relieve the compression. With the topsoil removed, they are low fertility. I would rotate, winter rye and crimson clover in the fall. I'm in zone 7a. Crimson clover is an annual that acts as a reseeding annual in my zone. Winter rye grows in soil with poor ph and low fertility. The crimson clover would cover the following spring. In mid-June, I would then plant buckwheat. You can also use a 50/50 mix of buckwheat and sunn hemp. Sunn hemp is an annual legume that fixes a lot of N into the soil. I would then rotate back into the WR/CC mix for fall. In the second year of this rotation, I would replace the crimson clover in the fall mix with a perennial clover like Durana.

If you have better soils, the decompression may not be necessary and you might be able to go directly into the WR/Perennial clover mix. The key here, when topsoil has been removed is to restore the OM. The mix of C and N, but mixing a legume with a cereal grain is kind of like composting to build OM. It takes time to build OM, but this kind of rotation works well to resotre the soil.

All fo these crops can be surface broadcast and cultipacked without tillage.

Best of luck!
 
Pick the surface rocks and do a permanent no-till clover plot with fall wheat or other grain to keep the soil balanced. This type of combo plot can also have fall brassicas as a throw n mow into the clover.
 
Late to this but my advice is always more correct than any else. Fescue the devils grass that Natives ancestors spread thru out the states.
I will disagree w some. Spray gly. Till. Then spray again few wks. I’m basically anti spray and anti till but fescue demands such.
And can’t believe no one has suggested but I’d plant 5-10 ac in alfalfa. Year round feed that deer love. I mix clover w the alfalfa. You can make money selling alfalfa or do as I did and just mow occasionally to 1 ‘.
To do that plant first year this fall w WR and WC. Spray Gly and till next Sept and plant your alfalfa clover mix.
You can still have your mini plots for spot hunting
And as for slope erosion w tillage trust me you don’t have slope. I can show some slope if needed. Good luck


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I'm trying a mix with alfalfa in it this year, just to see. What I've heard is that alfalfa does not do well in our local soils, and guys who try it end up sinking too much money into soil amendments to make it work. We'll see. I've had good luck with perennial clovers like ladino in the past.

That's good to hear your opinion on slope. We're at least going to experiment with light roto-tilling up at the top and see how it goes.
 
I'm trying a mix with alfalfa in it this year, just to see. What I've heard is that alfalfa does not do well in our local soils, and guys who try it end up sinking too much money into soil amendments to make it work. We'll see. I've had good luck with perennial clovers like ladino in the past.

That's good to hear your opinion on slope. We're at least going to experiment with light roto-tilling up at the top and see how it goes.
I agree. I find that for deer management, alfalfa and perennial clover fill a very similar niche. Clover is much easier to grow and tolerates much less fertile soils. I thing alfalfa is great for guys with naturally fertile soils, but for many of us on more marginal soils, clover is a better fit.
 
I agree. I find that for deer management, alfalfa and perennial clover fill a very similar niche. Clover is much easier to grow and tolerates much less fertile soils. I thing alfalfa is great for guys with naturally fertile soils, but for many of us on more marginal soils, clover is a better fit.
Agree 100%. That being said for some reason I decided to try some alfalfa for about the 3rd or 4th time. Have not had any great success with it yet but so far this year it seems to be doing pretty good. I think we've had just about the perfect growing conditions so far this year. Have been getting timely rains all spring and summer and I think my soil has improved enough to support alfalfa now. Threw alfalfa,radishes,kale,and some strawberry clover in a couple of plots this year. I have been doing the clover and chicory combo for years and it's been working with mowing being the only maintenance. Time will tell on the alfalfa. I broadcasted 2 kinds of alfalfa and can't remember what they were now so if it does work I won't even know what it was. Guessing that it will work and then I won't be able to duplicate it in the future because I still for some reason will think that I'll remember what I did. Slow learner I guess.
 
Should’ve included that alfalfa likes ph of near 7 so soil test and lime applied as needed. No need to do alfalfa until you kill growth hence the gly and tillage and WR the first year. No need plant before Sept of second year and it does poorly w just broadcasting. Must till and compact w a nurse crop like WR.
Alfalfa is as drought resistant as chicory w long taproots that can reach 6 ft in good soils. Hence my planting was done on a poor soil south facing dry ridge.
And finally include an exclusion cage as you will swear the alfalfa is doing poorly on small fields because the deer attack it. Best year round plot for deer I’ve ever had w clover being next and brassica third for winter feed. It’s way over dramatized as being difficult to grow. And w large enough fields it’s a money maker. Good luck


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Just so y'all know, my land was subsistence farmed since the early 1810s. After WWII they converted to tobacco and cows and hay. It's generally great for deer and turkey hunting, but fertility is not its strong suit.

What's done well in the past is ladino clover and wheat.
 
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