Hack and Squirt Chemicals?

[Mennoniteman]

I clear cut 5 acres of black locust. Every stump was sprayed on the outer cambium layer immediately after being cut with Tordon. It worked great for me. This last summer I found a small grove of black locust. I was able to get some "milestone" from a friend and sprayed them all topically. It wiped out the entire grove with no spill over affects.

Sprayed on the bark or the leaves?

 

[Cap'n]

Milestone would be a good one. You can spray either bark or leaves, but you shouldn't plant any trees or food plots in that spot for a year. Probably not as bad as Tordon about persisting in the soil though.

 

[Frosted brassica]

I'm laid up from rotator cuff surgery right now, and I'm thinking that since I won't be allowed to run a chainsaw for the next half year I would try some one-handed hack and squirt to create a white oak savannah on top of a ridge. But I've never done this before and don't know much about it. Should I get some Triclopyr 4, forestry dye and crop oil like I read somewhere? Or not over think it and use the roundup that I already have? I want to kill maples, beech, birch, hickory, sassafras, gum, and some other trash like honeysuckle. The average trees are in the six inch range. Thanks for any advice you might have.

A while back I went after some Alanthis and read a few trials on methods to treat with herbicide that recommended garlon3 because it was supposed to be safer in terms of both reduced chances for root translocation to adjacent trees and less damage to creatures in the soil or nearby streams. Hack and squirt worked well on those Alanthis. Good luck with your shoulder.

 

[Longleaf]

Anybody ever use hack and squirt to kill black willows? I have about 3 acres in the top end of a duck pond that has become infested with black willows. Most are 2-4" diameter but there are quite a few that are approaching 8-12" diameter.

 

[yellowdog00]

Previously, I would do two complete girdles around larger hard to kill species and spray with Triclopyr/oil. Very effective at kill but was time consuming and I'd almost get dizzy walking around trees all morning.

This winter I changed up and have gone to using my small chain saw to make a shallow 45 degree cut into cambium layer on all four sides of tree. I then spray the triclopyr solution into each cut. I like that a lot of the chemical sits in groove as opposed to more of it running down side of tree when you spray the horizontal girdle cuts.

This is faster than completely girdling and similar to hack and squirt. I'm hopeful that this will be as effective as completely girdling but only time will tell.

 

[Rosey]

I just bought a new farm and burned it off in March. What I found was an army of thorny locust trees. What wasn't killed by the fire will respectfully need to die in the coming years. The property consist of about 50% old cattle pasture and 50% Ag and CRP fields. My goal is to eradicate the locust and some other unwanted species and start planting new trees by the thousands. I was thinking of a 2 step approach and was looking for some other ideas.

Step 1- basal spray any tree larger than 5 inches with Tricoplyr4 and diesel fuel.

Step 2- pull anything smaller than 5 inches and burn them.

Repeat on anything living.

There are some young oaks growing so the bull dozer approach isn't really appealing. More looking to supplement the existing trees than start over.

What's the best time of year for basal spraying? Anyone used a tree puller with any success? Any other ideas for killing thousands of locust?

 

[catscratch]

I just bought a new farm and burned it off in March. What I found was an army of thorny locust trees. What wasn't killed by the fire will respectfully need to die in the coming years. The property consist of about 50% old cattle pasture and 50% Ag and CRP fields. My goal is to eradicate the locust and some other unwanted species and start planting new trees by the thousands. I was thinking of a 2 step approach and was looking for some other ideas.

Step 1- basal spray any tree larger than 5 inches with Tricoplyr4 and diesel fuel.

Step 2- pull anything smaller than 5 inches and burn them.

Repeat on anything living.

There are some young oaks growing so the bull dozer approach isn't really appealing. More looking to supplement the existing trees than start over.

What's the best time of year for basal spraying? Anyone used a tree puller with any success? Any other ideas for killing thousands of locust?

My experience with burning locust is that the roots send out suckers like a medusa... single trees turn into thickets.

Tricloplyr and diesel worked great for me last yr with locust. I plan on doing that a lot this yr. Time of yr has never made a difference to me. I do it when I have time, and have always had good results.

Good luck.

 

[Rosey]

That doesn’t sound real promising on my recent burn. Are the shoots coming from the roots or seeds that are laying dormant? So if they come from the roots and you spray the parent tree will it kill the all the shoots? Or is this wishful thinking?

Good to hear about the timing though. I was told it had to be in the fall or it wouldn’t kill the roots. That didn’t work well for deer season.

 

[catscratch]

That doesn’t sound real promising on my recent burn. Are the shoots coming from the roots or seeds that are laying dormant? So if they come from the roots and you spray the parent tree will it kill the all the shoots? Or is this wishful thinking?

Good to hear about the timing though. I was told it had to be in the fall or it wouldn’t kill the roots. That didn’t work well for deer season.

I believe they are from root.
I think it depends on the chemical. They always bounce when I use gly, but not when I use Remedy.

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[Oakseeds]

$29 / quart .... available at Wal-Mart One Qt will kill a lot of locust trees unless they are really big. Good luck

 

[bearcat]

I believe 2-4-d is the most important part of the mix. Tordon is excellent,but pretty pricey. I've used gly/2,4-d mix to good effect. But it should be noted that 2,4-d plus 2,4-5t equals agent orange. So this stuff requires careful handling. I like to have one guy hacking and another guy with good ppe squirting. Just my opinion.

What is your mix for gly and 2,4-d?

 

[Doe Shooter]

What is your mix for gly and 2,4-d?

25% gly,25% 2,4-d ,50% diesel.

 

[dawghall]

What do you all think will kill chinaberry, sweetgum and pecan best with hack n squirt. 100% gly or 100% 24-D?

 

[Doe Shooter]

What do you all think will kill chinaberry, sweetgum and pecan best with hack n squirt. 100% gly or 100% 24-D?

I have no experience with those trees. Others may wish to comment.

 

[Mennoniteman]

$29 / quart .... available at Wal-Mart One Qt will kill a lot of locust trees unless they are really big. Good luck

Crossbow is a 2,4d and triclopyr mix. To kill effectively kill woody species triclopyr should be a part of the mix somewhere.

 

[Mennoniteman]

I believe they are from root.
I think it depends on the chemical. They always bounce when I use gly, but not when I use Remedy.

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Remedy is just triclopyr in a fancy container. The surest and what I find works relatively fast, way to kill trees and roots is to cut them off and spray the stump with some form of triclopyr, and it will be guaranteed game over. I dare any woody species that ever grew to survive that. Including any shoots attached to the roots.

 

[Troubled Trees]

I have a small area that has several young oaks and I want to open up the canopy to release them. I have never done H&S but would like to try it on this area.
I have roughly a gallon of RM-45 leftover that I am trying to find a use for, would RM-45 work for H&S if I use it straight? If memory serves it is 43% Gly.

 

[Mennoniteman]

I have a small area that has several young oaks and I want to open up the canopy to release them. I have never done H&S but would like to try it on this area.
I have roughly a gallon of RM-45 leftover that I am trying to find a use for, would RM-45 work for H&S if I use it straight? If memory serves it is 43% Gly.

That should work just fine. And if you get tired of hacking just take an arborist's chainsaw with one hand and the squirt bottle with the other to speed up the process. Rule of thumb, you've got to hack a total horizontal distance of about halfway around the tree for consitent results. Smooth barked trees are generally easier to kill than rough bark trees.

 

[Troubled Trees]

That should work just fine. And if you get tired of hacking just take an arborist's chainsaw with one hand and the squirt bottle with the other to speed up the process. Rule of thumb, you've got to hack a total horizontal distance of about halfway around the tree for consitent results. Smooth barked trees are generally easier to kill than rough bark trees.

Good input, thank you sir!

 

[Triple C]

At the risk of giving bad advice, take this for what it's worth as I'm new to H & S method. Late last winter, I took a hatchet and straight gly in a small hand sprayer and did the H&S on quite a few hardwood trees - sweetgum, elm, hickory and oaks. Unless something changes, they all look as dead as a hammer. Dead, dead. None of them even leafed out. Very easy and so far, very effective with just straight gly.