Yep, that is another legitimate concern.
Someone else will have to explain the drug. Above my pay grade.
Giles Island
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Someone else will have to explain the drug. Above my pay grade.
I took my bow killed deer I got earlier this year to the Taxidermist and he had some well over 200" bucks he was mounting that came from a high fence operation in Arkansas. I told him they must have had huge bodies and necks to hold those things up and he told me they were big necked from the capes he got but that the "Hunter's" couldn't keep the meat because they were doped so much to make the racks huge and the meat was unsafe to eat...HUGE WASTE!
Bullwinkle
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I've been at a business meeting 10 years ago at Tara and we discussed which camps were better with the guides. They were very respectful. My conclusion - the food is fancier at Tara and so is the setting. Giles is more rustic hunting camp. Tara has rules that allow a number of good 2 and 3 year old to be taken. Giles has better age classes but also allows guns where Tara doesn't. Both camps I think are top shelf - you can't go wrong with either imo.
We hunted out of millennium ladder stands and summit climbers. The guide would set up on the back of the tree above me. We wispered on if I could shoot or not. He filmed the hunt and I got a cd when I left. I've not watched it yet. Most of my set ups were around pecan trees. The deer didn't look up. We were in open hardwoods, no way I could get away with this in WI
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Warner32
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This was my exact thought too! How could you possibly eat the muscle that this drug is pumped into with out some kind of residual effect... very interesting
And yes people would be taking marginal shots but from what I have heard that sounds like all you would need.. interesting.... I did some research searching the web and read that it's only legal in MS and could be dangerous for hunters as like one said in case they get cut... no thank you! I also read that people were giving Fred Bear crap because he had used them before... wow ... can't believe I never heard of this
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dogdoc
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I was watching a documentary on a primitive tribe that used poison darts/arrows to kill their game. The poison was some type of protein taken from a crushing up a poisonous beetle. When injected with an arrow or dart the game died quickly. The process of cooking the meat broke down the protein as well as the stomach acid and thus was not poisonous when eaten. I can't remember the name of the protein but I am pretty darn sure it was from a beetle.
Huge waste is right, but it's highly likely that the reason the meat was withheld would have almost assuredly been the tranquilizer used to sedate and relocate the deer, or possibly antibiotics used to preventively manage diseases cause by movement. Actually, it was very responsible of the preserve to ensure the safety of the clients, many just let people eat meat that is not legally allowed to be consumed. Everyone seems to think it takes some fancy drugs to get the huge racks; it doesn't, just genetics and food.
I'm curious about this myself.I think it would be interesting to find out what drugs are being administered to render the meat unsafe to eat. When we consider that the USDA allows farm lot beef stuffed full of growth hormones and antibiotics to be approved for human consumption I'm stumped as to what deer could be fed that could be worse. For whatever they were being fed to impact antler growth it had to be administered during the spring and summer. No value to feeding it after about August. Even wormer fed to deer is same that is typically fed cattle and it is typically fed in spring.
New to me . Just curious.
swat1018
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Tranquilizer is used all the time with pen deer. A buddy is in the business, and he sells "shooter" bucks he raises to preserves. He has to tranquilize the deer to take them to the preserves. There is a 21 day period when the meat can't be consumed. If the deer gets killed soon after being turned loose in the enclosure, the meat isn't edible.
I'm sure some "outfitters" don't tell the client and the stuff gets eaten. I am totally against the way deer are bought/sold and the whole deer farming thing, don't kill the messenger, I just know how it works!
I'm sure some "outfitters" don't tell the client and the stuff gets eaten. I am totally against the way deer are bought/sold and the whole deer farming thing, don't kill the messenger, I just know how it works!
I appreciate that and agree with you that I find nothing interesting in hunting deer from deer farm operations.However Johnny's post stated that the drugs were used to " make the racks huge" . Thats different from tranquilizing pen raised deer to move for shooting elsewhere. Maybe I am just misunderstanding.
Steroids is what the taxidermist told me...3 yr old 200" deer...
Like I said...can't eat the meat because of what they are shot up with...
Bullwinkle
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If you waste wild meat it's illegal but the game farms can waste the whole deer because they own it. Something seems wrong with this
Warner32
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I know quite a few deer farms as we used to raise some our own never for breeding but we do know some breeders and they never used any kind of steroids... it was all pure genetics and high protein diet but mostly genetics... that's why they breed for size.. it's not uncommon for them to get a 1 year old buck to push 170... that's why the bigger genetic deer semen sell for more.. if it was just steroids than wouldn't be much of a need to get the highest genetic deer blood line
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Warner32
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Bullwinkle what was the body size like on the deer at this place compared to WI deer? I would guess quite a bit smaller?
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