Both of these are very large. About 5 feet long and every bit as thick as my forearms. The pic was taken outside my workshop here at home. My son and I watched them mating for about an hour. Most of the time we could not see much of them as they were under a pile of old lumber and an old tarp. It was fascinating. We tried to get closer, but they spooked and slithered up under the pile. I have never seen a king snake before. I know we have a slew af black racers around the barn every year and there are copperheads all over the place. King snakes will sometimes eat other snakes so it's a pleasure to have them around.