Encouraging video from the ****

Discussion in 'Food Plots for Wildlife' started by Jason Broom, Jul 9, 2019 at 6:11 PM.

  1. Jason Broom

    Jason Broom Well-Known Member

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    The Association whose name shall not be mentioned recently posted this refreshingly honest and uncompensated video. You might find my comments listed, as I expressed my delight in their choice to share such great information.

     
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    So they're introducing a method to us that plotters have known about since the 90's? Trying to sell us on a something that was expounded on in detail on the very website they shut down? Sorry, but I felt pretty burned when they deleted the old website's info. They are going to have to pitch something new, innovative, and better than what they already deleted from history before I give them a chance. Trying to sell it back to us feels cheap/dirty to me.
    I don't mean to rain on your parade and probably shouldn't post on this thread... but them telling us about Throw-n-Mow sucks!

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    Well, you're not wrong, but if we can agree that what matters is the resource, (the land and wildlife that's dependent on it) at least they are finally lending their powerful voice to the no-till movement. What made me most upset when they shut down the forum is that a huge catalog of information and experience had been lost. Hopefully this video is the beginning of their acknowledgement of alternative practices that put effective food-plotting within the reach of more landowners, while also protecting those resources in a more sustainable manner.

    It really does sting that they're presenting what we were sharing a decade ago, as though it is something new. Thank you for posting, because this isn't me reconciling with those who I still feel betrayed many of their purest supporters. I'm just glad the right information is finally being put out there, on their channel. It's the right thing to do, even if it is long overdue.
     
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    And yet no acknowledgment where most this movement originated. No mention of the CrimsonandClovers or the dgallows or the many more that argued and fought and tested and promoted a new way of thinking.
    How convenient that the archives were removed from the old forum before much of it could be saved despite many of us begging to retain it on another site. So no proof of the where the knowledge originated?? What a coincidence. I as many had the displeasure of talking to Mr Thomas on the phone pleading for a mere few wks to salvage years of info.
    So I guess next they will promote allowing various weeds and grasses to coexist in food plots as their amazing own revelation.
    My tiller has not left the barn for 5 years. T&M has been a common procedure for many long before they put their official stamp on it.
    No offense to the OP but this is like having to ride down the road w an ex. Very uncomfortable. Personally they can.... well you know.


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    I can't argue with that. You are right, but I'm petty and can hold a grudge. :) Maybe I could relax a little...

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    Jason Broom Well-Known Member

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    No offense taken, Dogghr. I didn't post the link to suggest it somehow undid a wrong, because it certainly does not. At the same time, it does validate the efforts and assertions we have made for years.

    Perhaps I am giving them too much credit in my original post. Perhaps the no-till, CnC, Throw then Mow, movement has gained so much traction among the rank n' file of their membership, that they finally realized how stupid they would look to continue ignoring the good stewardship these practices represent. Given that their primary motive$ were made cry$tal clear when they shut down the forum, I'm sure they only posted this video to avoid losing face.

    Still, even with all of that, it was the right thing to do for the land and the critters. Glory be.
     
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    No I agree with you Jason, the sharing of new info no matter from where it comes is good for all involved. And I apologize for misdirecting your thread. I guess as I've said before I think it a great shame that so much info was lost. So many questions I see onhere were explained very well by some on the old forum. We are lucky to have very knowedgable people on here and I appreciate that. But some of the indept discussions of soil CEC, ph, amendments, etc were explained, and argued well on the other forum. And it is the understanding of those principles that makes the ability to manage our land so much easier.
    Even Lickcreek who we admire and use his base planting procedure was argued with, yet in the end was able to prove his thinking. And even he was a definate till the ground guy which is becoming not the norm.
    I appreciate the respect given to each on this forum but sometimes we are too nice and don't contest what is said and argue to an aggreement with everyone learning something in the process.
    Don't get me wrong, great forum and I still learn a lot daily. And Jason I'm glad you posted video and yes I did watch the entire film.
    Carry on.
     
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    cutman Administrator Staff Member

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    I started to watch that video the other day and only made it a couple minutes in. Like many others have already said, I can barely stomach anything the QDMA says. Plus, I think the information provided in the video is wrong. Why would you mow, spray, then just broadcast seed on top of the thatch? That’s a recipe for failure nearly every time in my experience unless you get perfect rain. It makes a lot more sense to broadcast the seed, then spray and mow. Too bad no one ever figured that out. Oh wait, we did - 15 years ago. Idiots.
     
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    I am all for sharing of information to help those that may not be exposed to these methods....I share info I learned from others all the time...and I try to give credit where it's due (if I remember where I heard/read it). I didn't even watch the video, because I know where to find first hand help for those methods should I so choose.

    I'm going to stop there.....I'll just get all worked up. I met a lot of great folks thru them back in the day. That organization made their choices....I made mine....and thus why I am here and not there!
     
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    I hear that the next two videos feature "Random Clusters" and "Hinge Cutting" ;)
    But on the Throw and Mow, I prefer it without the spray. I am not opposed to Gly for certain applications but rather it not be widespread
     
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    To me, I think of all the valuable knowledge that they flushed down the drain by quickly closing down that forum. I just don't talk about them or say their name. It makes me angry to revisit how they slammed us.

    It is a credit to the leaders that got this forum going so quickly. I appreciate how little drama we have here.

    Bandwagon folks are a dime a dozen - glory hounds.

    Thanks for all the posters on this forum.

    Wayne
     
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    Wouldn't know or care what they're doing over there...
     
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    I have a hard time believing they have an agenda geared towards anyone other than themselves. I think they made that crystal clear with how they handled the forum and the people involved. Doubt they've changed...

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    Please leave the pitchforks in the barn;), but I still get their newsletter by email each week. I only do that so I can play the how-old-is-this-buck game. I’m right about 90% of the time but somehow it doesn’t translate as well to a live moving buck in the woods !:D

    I was a member of the old forum but only in the last few months and wasn’t very active. Before I had a chance to read very much it was gone. I really only knew what actually took place by reading here. As far as I’m concerned, this is the best forum for food plotters I’ve ever been on or visited. The thing I appreciate most is the free giving of knowledge and the lack of condescension towards those of us who are still learning. Thanks !
     
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    And you always seemed like such a good guy, go figure. Sometimes you just really never know a person. JK
     
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    That dip$h*t jeff sturgis made a video where he basically said he invented throw and mow no-till planting and was doing it before everyone else, so a video from these jokers hardly moves the needle for me.



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    There is no redeeming QDMA.

    Nothing they've ever presented was invented by them. And that's not even a bad thing, because most of us learn from somebody else. If we're sharp enough, we pick up where they left off and keep trying new stuff and help move the cause forward.

    They made one especially monumental contribution to the habitat world by creating that forum. They created the exchange that fueled a movement of sharing practices and an amount of content that they couldn't publish in 20 years of magazines with 100 writers. They lost control of the information narrative and felt their (and their advertisers) impending irrelevance coming as they found themselves with members who no longer needed Bob seed, Bob products, and Bob machinery to achieve their goals. So they burned all the books.

    They can suck it.
     
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    If they were smart, they would have monetized that forum, made it members only, and charged an extra $30/year to be part of it. They could have also made "Forum Highlights" part of the monthly magazine to drive participation. Hell, they write one article about lime, and that's all they talk about when it comes to lime. I bet you in the forums, we've given a PHD level of info with well over a dozen different facets of lime alone:

    Why is lime important?
    Where to get lime?
    Why particle size matters
    What is calcium carbonate equivalent and why does it matter?
    What is the difference between calcitic lime and dolomitic lime?
    What happens if I put down the wrong lime and how can I fix it?
    What if I can't get the kind of lime I need locally?
    How to use buffer pH to make your own lime recommendation
    Why you should pony up for the expensive soil test before liming
    When should I apply lime and do I need to "work it in?"
    What if I can't put enough lime down right now?
    Innovative ways to spread lime
    Pelletized vs crushed: How to choose
    Are there micronutrients in my lime?
    Questions to ask your lime supplier before you buy
     
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    I know I'm swimming against the tide on this one, but the video does go on to say you want thatch below AND on top of the seed, just as CnC has helped us understand, over the years. FWIW, I spray a week or two before I broadcast seed and mow.

    I hope it didn't sound like I look at this video as some kind of redemption for the guys who put the "A" in QDM. I'm still very bitter about it all and Mark's reference to burning the books is a great way of putting how I feel. They knew the knowledge on those pages could be their undoing, so they capitulated to their sponsors instead of supporting their members and the resources, itself. It was tragic. You can ask my wife...it messed me up for a while, but you have to let things go, at some point.

    For me, the bottom line is that this forum has honored the spirit of hard-earned information, freely shared. I'm confident Mr. Paul Knox (aka, LickCreek) would be pleased, as he trialed and contributed to the no-till concept. I know we're doing the right things, for the right reasons.

    The video I linked to is good information, in my opinion. I don't know the guy who was presenting from Adam, but he gave very good advice. I'm trying hard to not let the fact he's affiliated with the group which screwed over myself and a bunch of my friends blind me. Every voice joining ours on the merits of minimal tillage food plots (and ag fields) is to our mutual and cumulative benefit, even under these circumstances.

    But I respect those who do not feel the same, because I understand very personally where ya'll are coming from, believe me.

    Jason
     
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    Good points Jason. Great thing about differences of opinion is there is some truth and wisdom in there somewhere, sorta like the chainsaw sculpture finding a bear in a log!
     
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