Timber Harvest Advice

we are going to be having a couple food plots cut out and also doing TSI on about 30/40 acres on our property. Was curious on any advice from people that have done TSI in the past. For example, some say to have a exterior trail cut out and others have said to leave a buffer between the neighbors of about 20/30 yards. Any input is great.
 
I would definitely leave a buffer if possible...I wish our loggers had left one. Will post more later but best advice I have for now is to have everything planned out based on a 10 year+ plan - not a 1 year plan.

Now is the time to add a food plot if you want one, firebreaks, shooting lanes, etc.
 
I had a 40’ R. O. W. Cut out around my 217 acres that I just sold, as well as my 80 acres at home. My situation might be different than yours though, as I was surrounded by heavy cover on all sides. I liked the fact that I could scoot around the perimeter of the property without going into the actual woods. We used that to our advantage accessing stands. It was also what the timber guys used for ingress and egress.

When trying to control the hog population,:rolleyes: we used this R. O. W. to good effect as we could bait them on the edge of the place and had different options to put the sneak on them according to the wind direction. I think it also gives a trespasser pause if he has to cross a naked 40’ opening to enter your property.

I do agree with cutman on the ten year plan. At first, mine was a ten minute plan, and one I corrected as best I could about the third year.
 
Yes - certainly think long term. You are going to have significant equipment on site and as such they can do some work and save you some money later (moving that equipment isn't cheap).

A perimeter trail is ideal, but not always possible. I would love to have one on my place, but it just isn't in the cards. Plot locations and even just openings created are great as well. Also consider any sort of culverts or the like to improve access.

You can also have them position the tree tops into rows and the like if you want to manipulate movement to some extent or to create screens. Or put them in clusters for deer to bed near. But location of these things is important - again...plan.

The more detail you go into and document the fewer "surprises" you will have.

I was VERY involved in mine....I live on the property and I approved the removal of each and every tree (700+) as we took the inventory and marked them all. I also had them remove some they didn't want (too big for me to screw with). I followed up every day on the progress and the like.

If you have never had this work done before - be prepared to have the "What the hell have I done" moment complete with a big knot develop in your stomach. I went thru this. I was almost reduced to tears as I thought I had destroyed my woods. Well, it turns out my misery was ill founded and short lived. Mother nature bounced back and I look forward to the next cut.

Goodluck.....OH and take lots of BEFORE pictures...so you can take AFTER pictures....at some point you will be glad you did.
 
I cut the hell out of my homeplace three years ago, removing all pine above 12” DBH, all elm, all gum, and some post oak. Instead of semi-open woods I now have fairly thick woods and some deer probably actually bed on my place instead of just being visitors. In 20 years, I’ve only sold timber twice, but the severe drought of 2011 killed half of my white oaks and some of them were really old trees and great producers.
 
Yes - certainly think long term. You are going to have significant equipment on site and as such they can do some work and save you some money later (moving that equipment isn't cheap).

A perimeter trail is ideal, but not always possible. I would love to have one on my place, but it just isn't in the cards. Plot locations and even just openings created are great as well. Also consider any sort of culverts or the like to improve access.

You can also have them position the tree tops into rows and the like if you want to manipulate movement to some extent or to create screens. Or put them in clusters for deer to bed near. But location of these things is important - again...plan.

The more detail you go into and document the fewer "surprises" you will have.

I was VERY involved in mine....I live on the property and I approved the removal of each and every tree (700+) as we took the inventory and marked them all. I also had them remove some they didn't want (too big for me to screw with). I followed up every day on the progress and the like.

If you have never had this work done before - be prepared to have the "What the hell have I done" moment complete with a big knot develop in your stomach. I went thru this. I was almost reduced to tears as I thought I had destroyed my woods. Well, it turns out my misery was ill founded and short lived. Mother nature bounced back and I look forward to the next cut.

Goodluck.....OH and take lots of BEFORE pictures...so you can take AFTER pictures....at some point you will be glad you did.
Did you cut your entire piece or just a section?
 
Did you cut your entire piece or just a section?
We cut the "entire" place. I say that because I own 150 acres....but 100 of it is corn and bean field. The 50 acres of trees is in narrow strips and small blocks (most of only a few acres). My place was high graded (where they only remove the large high dollar trees) before I had control. As such we had a lot of large junk trees that needed to go....hackberry, ash, hickory, cottonwood, sycamore, elm, poplar and maple. I needed to get light to the ground and to the few oaks I had. The woods exploded with life and as ugly as the process was....it is a great way to make a big impact on understory and browse and help your other desirable trees. We did have a second cut where we removed walnut that I left stand on the first cut. We had some cash flow problems and it turns out money can grow on trees! Both times we cut in the summer and I deer hunted that fall without any real noticeable changes. Now...because of the limited trees I don;t hold many deer on my property as it is....so you have to take that into consideration. it's tough to chase away what isn't there to begin with!
 
I’m lucky, I grew up hunting timber company land (hardwood saw log company). About every 8 years I got to see them haul gorgeous logs off the place, from a select cut, and I got to see how the woods respond. Now that I own similar land, I can’t wait until it’s time for a timber sale!
 
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