Glyphosate????

I have been reading alot of articles lately about how it can cause cancer. The articles I have also read say it is also an antibiotic.The testing shows it can destroy bacteria in the stomach lowering the ability to fight off disease. As stewards of the land are we causing more harm by its use for the intended purpose of better and stronger herds or are we causing harm to the ecology? They say the pollinators downfall is caused by glyphosate. These are some interesting reads and very stimulating topics. Any comments would be appreciated.

I had a friends family out to my farm this winter to shoot skeet and get his boys out of the city. His wife does the essential oils thing and asked me about some of the dead patches of grass in my shooting lanes. She gave me up the creek about using gly and about how bad it is. Outside of her this is the first I have heard of the negatives with it. Any links or articles to support this argument?

Charlieyca said:

I had a friends family out to my farm this winter to shoot skeet and get his boys out of the city. His wife does the essential oils thing and asked me about some of the dead patches of grass in my shooting lanes. She gave me up the creek about using gly and about how bad it is. Outside of her this is the first I have heard of the negatives with it. Any links or articles to support this argument?

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Here is one article I read this morning. http://www.healthy-holistic-living....hosate-found-100-california-wines-tested.html

Glyphosate is in the category 2A or "Probably causes cancer"...same as most everything we use, eat, or drink that hasn't been proven to absolutely cause cancer...

Here is one article about it. Lawyers and Healthy organic holistic types have continuing lawsuits against Monsanto but No individuals using the products have filed any...

https://www.drugwatch.com/roundup/

OkieKubota said:

Glyphosate is in the category 2A or "Probably causes cancer"...same as most everything we use, eat, or drink that hasn't been proven to absolutely cause cancer...

Here is one article about it. Lawyers and Healthy organic holistic types have continuing lawsuits against Monsanto but No individuals using the products have filed any...

https://www.drugwatch.com/roundup/

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So could it be that the antibiotic resistance could be the cause for CWD? It could destroy the natural antibiotics in a deers system that would allow the prions that cause CWD to flourish. Just a thought. Most of the CWD cases in Missouri are in the farming areas of the state and not the mostly timbered areas. Just my theory.

Satguy said:

So could it be that the antibiotic resistance could be the cause for CWD? It could destroy the natural antibiotics in a deers system that would allow the prions that cause CWD to flourish. Just a thought. Most of the CWD cases in Missouri are in the farming areas of the state and not the mostly timbered areas. Just my theory.

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Glyphosate is the most widely used herbicide in the entire world. Millions of pounds of it are used yearly in just the US alone...I suppose there could be a correlation but it is so widespread I would think that it would be everywhere and not just certain areas because glyphosate is used on most food plots specifically for deer and they are EVERYWHERE including the wooded/forested areas. There is probably deer research being done on this because I can't imagine it having been left "off the table" when talking CWD in the wild deer population...Great Question!

OkieKubota said:

Glyphosate is in the category 2A or "Probably causes cancer"...same as most everything we use, eat, or drink that hasn't been proven to absolutely cause cancer...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_2A_carcinogens

So is Red Meat and Shift Work I am not going to stop utilizing either one of those either.

Satguy said:

So could it be that the antibiotic resistance could be the cause for CWD? It could destroy the natural antibiotics in a deers system that would allow the prions that cause CWD to flourish. Just a thought. Most of the CWD cases in Missouri are in the farming areas of the state and not the mostly timbered areas. Just my theory.

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Or importing infected deer to shooting pens in Macon county? Those deer probably had plenty of antibiotics (and growth hormones and TRT and God knows what else). Deer farming is 100% of the cause of CWD in Missouri.

This topic is the farmer version of the anti-vaccine crowd. Glyphosate has been proven to be extremely safe. The people who hate it so much are typically the holistic medicine type who hate all types of chemicals. Facebook and the rest of the internet have given this crowd a voice that was previously kept on the fringe by real science.

Do I think glyphosate is 100% safe? As a scientist, no. Do I think the benefits outweigh the risk? Absolutely.

I limit use to fence and border weed control. Try to keep it from food supply. That being said many times when my wife asks how some friut tastes i will say "not as good as that RR monsanto gmo fruit". She do3s not like that answer. Youve got to wonder how much stuff is going into the food we eat!

DDT was banned by environmentalists, based on faulty science, long since debunked, and the product proven to be relatively safe in subsequent testing. But in the meantime 50 million poor people in third world countries died from malaria, a disease that had almost been wiped out. Deodorant has been proven to be more of a carcinogen than gly. Do we stop using it? I use all chemicals in very limited amounts & common sense as much as possible on my properties, they are just another tool that can be both good and bad, just like a knife or a hammer or a computer. For deer habitat purposes discussed here weeds can also be deer food..........

As long as science is politicized and profitized, there is no such thing as real science. I worked for 15 years in a large chemical plant that was forced to shut down because of political scientists. They lied through their teeth to get the results the government agency wanted. We proved it in court but it did no good. Do I use Glyphosate, no. Why, because on my property I have seen a marked decline in bees and other pollinators that used to be extremely abundant. I also mow a ROW so they o not spray it yearly. Most of the local apiarists have quit. We used to have about 10 that I know of and now we have none. Why? There ain't no honey bees.

One of my chief complaints of the no till thinking, is its dependence on gly spray. And I do use gly but try to limit its use. I'm not so sure it affects the mammal population. I will say, if I dig a hole in a gly sprayed field, the bug and earthworm activity is much less than in a perennial or fallow field plot. Yes their are multiple factors in these comparisons. We will always deal with variety of opinions and even scientific results. I think using anything is somewhat dependent on the real necessity.

DDT is my prime example. It was argued its banning would destroy the ability of the farmer to make a profit, much as Gly is argued today. I know for sure, that I really enjoy the bald eagles in my back yard where in past years they had shriveled to some very remote areas at least partly due to thin shelled egg poor survival from DDT over use. Kill every "bug", every "weed" we don't like, and where has it gotten us?

Trust? Anyone on here had the pleasure of being exposed to Agent Orange in Nam? No problem, just couple of defoliant agents one of which is 2,4-D. Ever see that ingredient mentioned on food plot forums? Have you or any friends deal with its aftermath?
I live in the state home to Union Carbide, Dupont, and others. I support new products that make this place a better place to live. My FIL was one of the original study testers of Sevin. So I do embrace those various breakthroughs in technology. But I also tred very carefully in blindly accepting either side of a story. Some times those damn tree huggers can have a point.

If you're using gly add 17 lb of ammonium sulfate per 100 gal of water BEFORE you pour in the gly, this relatively cheap fertilizer will make the gly work better so you can get away with using less of the more expensive and more hazardous chemical. Also use crop oil in the mix. Rural King has AMS $12 for 51 lb. bag.

OkieKubota said:

Glyphosate is the most widely used herbicide in the entire world. Millions of pounds of it are used yearly in just the US alone...I suppose there could be a correlation but it is so widespread I would think that it would be everywhere and not just certain areas because glyphosate is used on most food plots specifically for deer and they are EVERYWHERE including the wooded/forested areas. There is probably deer research being done on this because I can't imagine it having been left "off the table" when talking CWD in the wild deer population...Great Question!

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Today I called the lead CWD biologist for MDC to ask if glyphosate as a contributing factor to CWD had been studied and she said she did not know. She was intrigued by this idea of the antibiotic classification assigned to glyphosate. She said some school somewhere is probably doing some research on this and was amazed I brought this idea to her as she said she had not thought of this possible correlation. Science is a strange bird and one never knows where things can lead. 4 years ago I was going to donate blood for the first time and a series of questions by the nurse about my history actually lead to them refusing to take my blood donation. The question was have you ever visited western Europe in the 1980's. I lived on the island of Sicily for 3.5 years while stationed at NAS Sigonella Sicily from 1984-1987.There was an outbreak of mad cow disease which is caused by prions similiar to CWD.

Satguy said:

So could it be that the antibiotic resistance could be the cause for CWD? It could destroy the natural antibiotics in a deers system that would allow the prions that cause CWD to flourish. Just a thought. Most of the CWD cases in Missouri are in the farming areas of the state and not the mostly timbered areas. Just my theory.

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Most CWD in MO is not in just any farm country, it's in the farm country that surrounds captive deer farms. The beginning of CWD was in the area around the deer farm where some animals escaped. Not sure I'd blame Roundup for that.

OK folks...you can find anything you want on the internet. Glyphosate is absolutely the most studied and scrutinized herbicide in the world and it has been proven safe on millions and millions of acres for many years. We shouldn't be wasting any more time typing or reading this thread. Nuff said.

DrDirtNap said:

OK folks...you can find anything you want on the internet. Glyphosate is absolutely the most studied and scrutinized herbicide in the world and it has been proven safe on millions and millions of acres for many years. We shouldn't be wasting any more time typing or reading this thread. Nuff said.

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Please descibe what you consider safe. What do you consider scrutinized? And why you feel I, and others, are wasting our time? I find these statements troubling. I have personally been involved in one "study" of a supposed environmental hazard many years ago. It was conducted for a Federal agency. When the results did not meet their preconceived expectations, it was swept under the rug and never heard of again. Who pays for all these "studies" determines if the results ever see the light of day. I do not think being aware of what money and politics will do for power and attention to be a waste of time.

I won't say that glyphosate is 100% safe, but what I will say is that if it's a huge risk to mankind, we're all pretty much screwed.

A good friend of mine posted an article about how bad gly was, not unlike the link above. When I explained the ways gly is used in the food chain, she was absolutely stunned. It would be VERY difficult, indeed, to eat in America without consuming the end product of glyphosate on a daily basis. For the amount we, as food-plotters use, I can't begin to think it's worth losing any sleep over.

As far as the notion that gly contributed to CWD; the disease gained its first toehold in the Rocky Mountain West, where there are few corn and soybean fields sprayed with glyphosate.

DrDirtNap said:

OK folks...you can find anything you want on the internet. Glyphosate is absolutely the most studied and scrutinized herbicide in the world and it has been proven safe on millions and millions of acres for many years. We shouldn't be wasting any more time typing or reading this thread.

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Those of us who use this forum to make there land management better have knowledge of certain things. If we do not ask the tough questions of what we are doing and how we are doing it we fail as land managers. I posted this thread to stimulate thought and to see what others think as the biologists do not have a clue and if they did they are not telling us. Something is causing these deer to get sick with CWD while others are not. What happened to the honey bees? Can we at least ask this question or is it off the table to discuss? Without pollination all the fruit trees we plant and graft are useless. I believe these are the tough questions we must discuss and find answers to. There are alot of people on this forum who are very engaged in their land and managing it. They see more than the average college kid sitting in a classroom doing research.

I am almost scared at the uniformity of friuts and veggies thes days. Nature does not do it that way. What changed 15 to 20 years ago? Was is it for the good?