What do you do if you're neighbors are better than you?

[deer patch]

I bought this 40 to take new hunters and guests not to shoot a 150". Trying to share our sport. I don't think I can compete with these neighbors and make hunting fun. I hunted it twice. I am not going to take a small buck with one tag but I need to have some goals for this place. I am sure you've shared your farm with over 40 guests - large number who never shot a deer, at least 10 were kids - over the last decade Regean. You seem like a guy who gives back a lot to this sport. I am a Redneck engineer whose made a living improving things and questioning everything. It's worked for me professionally and developing hunting land. Don't plan on changing

Bull...You have finally told why you question everything...your an engineer. Not knocking engineers as I work with them everyday. It does sound like you have the perfect 40 acres for the right person to take mature deer but what you are going to use it for your going to have to let your guests enjoy hunting.

I'm truly glad you are putting forth an effort to get new hunters out in force.

 

[boot]

Become better than your neighbors. It takes time, work, $$ and patience but it can be done

 

[Reagan]

If this forum was called Big Bucks Only or something like that I would agree with you. But that is not what this forum is as there are areas for different types of hunting, food plots, property tours etc all discussing a wide array of habitat improvement and conservation that benefit all sorts of wildlife. Any non-hunter that stumbles in here will obviously see there is much more than horn porn in this site unless they are a pure anti only looking for ammo for their argument. No amount of science or logic is going to turn those folks and I seriously doubt a reasonable non-hunter would find this site offensive. This very small collective does more annually for wildlife than all of the anti organizations I am aware of combined.

You are correct about this site.

I have nothing against it. It is a place for some to learn a thing or two.

My post was pointed at one person and anyone like him.


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[Reagan]

Bull

Now you are quoting your own posts. Not sure that I have ever seen that on any forum ever before.

Yes I have taken nephews, friends, friend's kids, my non hunting wife, my daughters and a few cousins hunting. Not just deer hunting but also turkey, squirrel, waterfowl, predator, rabbit etc.

How many? I don't know. Never counted them up. Of course I'm not one that worries about score, competing neighbors or internet trolls.


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[Btaylor]

How much tillable ground is potentially in the 40?

 

[Bullwinkle]

How much tillable ground is potentially in the 40?

7 acres. Planted in corn and beans this year. Soil needs a little work with chemistry. I'll begin fixing it this year. Probably will move to oats/beans/brassica

 

[Blizzard Ridge]

I think our sport loses when we focus on score and big bucks only. Hunting is NOT a competition.

I believe the majority of hunters out there have set goals for themselves. Whether it be to kill a 150" buck or to just be able to take a mature buck each year. I have personal goals for myself as well (170"+ or oldest deer on the farm). This doesn't mean that we aren't managing for the entire herd so I really don't understand that statement entirely. I understand not being hung up on the score but some of us look at this as a competitive sport with the goal to outsmart the biggest, oldest buck in the woods. As far as I am concerned anyone can walk into the woods and kill a deer, that doesn't make them a hunter it makes them a person that shoots deer. One of the major factors in my land management practices is harvesting only mature deer. If a hunter harvests mature bucks only the odds go up to harvest bucks with superior racks on their heads. Now this does not mean that I won't harvest a lesser racked old buck to remove him from our herd to potentially make room for a better racked deer(doesn't mean that is what will happen).

I am curious if you are a lang manager or a hunter or both? If you are a deer land manager what is your personal goals with your farm or hunting activities. If you have land or hunting goals then it is a competition in a since, that doesn't matter if you are competing against yourself, the deer or the neighbors, competition is competition. I always taught kids running track that even though you know you can not beat the person next to you in a given race you are still competing whether it is against the guy on down the line from you or it is against your previous personal best time. The sense of competition is a good thing for all of us. It teaches a lot of lessons along the way. One of the problems with America today is sheltering our children from competition. You need to learn how to lose and how to win. How mins and losses are judged come down to the individuals and the goals set forth. Don't expect to get a trophy at the end unless you succeed in the goal you have set forth (everyone doesn't get a trophy in the game of life). That trophy can come in the form of a little metal thing that gets thrown in a closet never to be seen again, a deer rack or just the satisfaction of obtaining your goal and the pat you give yourself on the back.

Sorry for my competition rant. Sometimes I think to literally into things but I feel that has helped me be successful in a lot of my endeavors.

 

[Reagan]

I own my own deer land. I also hunt my fathers land.

I agree with you on the statements about kids, competition etc.

You lose me when you talk about a mature lessor buck. Some people think he is "lessor" because he has less bone on his head. I don't. If he is 4+, he is smart and has survived a lot. It doesn't matter to me if he is 125, 150, or 170. I'm more impressed with what is inside his skull (smarts) than what is growing on it.

Yes I'd like to shoot a monster buck. Who wouldn't? But to me age trumps score.

Personally I try to shoot 3+ year old bucks. I don't live on my land so the amount of hunting time I get in a given year dictates that I hold out for 4+ sometimes it's 3+. Young bucks don't turn me on anymore.

This year I had a 6 point that I know is 4. He is the first buck that I can 100% for certain say that I passed as a 2.5. I would be thrilled to kill him and I had bigger bucks on my land. Not because I want to cull him. It's because I passed him at 2.5, he outsmarted me at 3.5. All I saw of him this year was pictures.

Bull has years of posting and whining about the mythical 150. Anyone who read much of the QDMA forum has seen his stuff. He is horn porn. He likes to throw out examples of his extreme generosity to offset his 150 talk. But no matter what, he will always revert back to the 150.

He ratchets up is annoying persona when he posts questions, asks for advice and then ignores, dismisses or flat out argues with people who genuinely try to help him.

Spending a second of your life trying to help him is a waste of time.

I used to kill 1-4 deer per year. All with a bow. We are a 1 buck per year state. I haven't killed a deer in 3 or 4 years because my 10 year old daughter is my priority more than anything else. She fills the freezer now. When I hunt alone, I'm waiting on something mature. When I was young I was a deer killer, I'm not now if that matters in this discussion.

So you guys can continue with Bull. I'm sure some will continue to be his champion, his advisor or what ever. I won't play his game. I call a spade a spade.


Up next. Bull's annual post about the winter weather and how it will affect next years scores.

After that he will talk about his consultant and how he advised that Bull alter his property to hold less bucks in the summer. Then he will post that he is concerned there aren't enough bucks on his property next summer.

He is a broken record full of contradictions.


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[Satchmo]

I believe the majority of hunters out there have set goals for themselves. Whether it be to kill a 150" buck or to just be able to take a mature buck each year. I have personal goals for myself as well (170"+ or oldest deer on the farm). This doesn't mean that we aren't managing for the entire herd so I really don't understand that statement entirely. I understand not being hung up on the score but some of us look at this as a competitive sport with the goal to outsmart the biggest, oldest buck in the woods. As far as I am concerned anyone can walk into the woods and kill a deer, that doesn't make them a hunter it makes them a person that shoots deer. One of the major factors in my land management practices is harvesting only mature deer. If a hunter harvests mature bucks only the odds go up to harvest bucks with superior racks on their heads. Now this does not mean that I won't harvest a lesser racked old buck to remove him from our herd to potentially make room for a better racked deer(doesn't mean that is what will happen).

I am curious if you are a lang manager or a hunter or both? If you are a deer land manager what is your personal goals with your farm or hunting activities. If you have land or hunting goals then it is a competition in a since, that doesn't matter if you are competing against yourself, the deer or the neighbors, competition is competition. I always taught kids running track that even though you know you can not beat the person next to you in a given race you are still competing whether it is against the guy on down the line from you or it is against your previous personal best time. The sense of competition is a good thing for all of us. It teaches a lot of lessons along the way. One of the problems with America today is sheltering our children from competition. You need to learn how to lose and how to win. How mins and losses are judged come down to the individuals and the goals set forth. Don't expect to get a trophy at the end unless you succeed in the goal you have set forth (everyone doesn't get a trophy in the game of life). That trophy can come in the form of a little metal thing that gets thrown in a closet never to be seen again, a deer rack or just the satisfaction of obtaining your goal and the pat you give yourself on the back.

Sorry for my competition rant. Sometimes I think to literally into things but I feel that has helped me be successful in a lot of my endeavors.

I look at reaching a goal as an achievement, NOT winning a competition. So many guys look at managing their land as a competition for "the deer" with their neighbors. That'll take the fun out of it in a hurry when the neighbor shoots a nice buck. They get upset that the neighbor "Won". Pure nonsense!

 

[OkieKubota]

I own my own deer land. I also hunt my fathers land.

I agree with you on the statements about kids, competition etc.

You lose me when you talk about a mature lessor buck. Some people think he is "lessor" because he has less bone on his head. I don't. If he is 4+, he is smart and has survived a lot. It doesn't matter to me if he is 125, 150, or 170. I'm more impressed with what is inside his skull (smarts) than what is growing on it.

Yes I'd like to shoot a monster buck. Who wouldn't? But to me age trumps score.

Personally I try to shoot 3+ year old bucks. I don't live on my land so the amount of hunting time I get in a given year dictates that I hold out for 4+ sometimes it's 3+. Young bucks don't turn me on anymore.

This year I had a 6 point that I know is 4. He is the first buck that I can 100% for certain say that I passed as a 2.5. I would be thrilled to kill him and I had bigger bucks on my land. Not because I want to cull him. It's because I passed him at 2.5, he outsmarted me at 3.5. All I saw of him this year was pictures.

Bull has years of posting and whining about the mythical 150. Anyone who read much of the QDMA forum has seen his stuff. He is horn porn. He likes to throw out examples of his extreme generosity to offset his 150 talk. But no matter what, he will always revert back to the 150.

He ratchets up is annoying persona when he posts questions, asks for advice and then ignores, dismisses or flat out argues with people who genuinely try to help him.

Spending a second of your life trying to help him is a waste of time.

I used to kill 1-4 deer per year. All with a bow. We are a 1 buck per year state. I haven't killed a deer in 3 or 4 years because my 10 year old daughter is my priority more than anything else. She fills the freezer now. When I hunt alone, I'm waiting on something mature. When I was young I was a deer killer, I'm not now if that matters in this discussion.

So you guys can continue with Bull. I'm sure some will continue to be his champion, his advisor or what ever. I won't play his game. I call a spade a spade.


Up next. Bull's annual post about the winter weather and how it will affect next years scores.

After that he will talk about his consultant and how he advised that Bull alter his property to hold less bucks in the summer. Then he will post that he is concerned there aren't enough bucks on his property next summer.

He is a broken record full of contradictions.


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Reagan - the beautiful thing about a forum is that you choose what you want to read. If the post is not to your liking or train of thought you can move on by choice. I respect your dialogue and as long as things don't degrade to name calling and we keep respect in mind when posting then differences of opinion can be tolerated.

Look around at our member list...most everyone is from the old QDMA forum and already know Bull. I have read the same post you have on the other forum and find them to be entertainment. I don't tend to be an angry person so nothing said makes me mad. If the world was made up of cookie cutter type personalities it would be a boring place...

The bottom line though is that Bull pays the taxes on his place just like we all do so his place, his ideas, his rules inside those boundaries. My neighbors probably think I am insane while driving down the county road that travels through our property and seeing all the trees hinged chest high...looks like a war zone but when they pay the note and taxes they can have the say...

Oh, and I agree the title of this thread is kind of...awkward

 

[wbpdeer]

Reagan

Your last post had good content in it. You talked about your land, your bucks and your 10 year old daughter.

You talked about the deer you pass and the ones you hope to kill.

Those are the contributions and posts that work. Ignore the things that you don't like. I do believe everyone knows by now you disagree with the other mans way of looking at things and his narrative.

You would be well served to start your own thread about your ground and what the goals and process is about.
Read your last post and skip everything about Bull and see what you said. Good content and easy to read.

I agree with you that a 4 1/2 year old deer is a worthy deer to harvest. They have slipped by many a hunter to reach that age - and it ain't luck that they did.

My two cents ...

 

[Reagan]

I'm not an angry person. But there are people don't like.

People tell me to ignore things but they choose not to ignore me. Instead they delete post instead of allowing me freedom of speech. I see nothing wrong with calling someone a name when the shoe fits.

The urinal joke was gold. If you didn't at least crack a smile at that, maybe you have some anger issues.


I don't own this joint and you guys have your rules. That's your right.

We are becoming a nation that is filled with people who are looking to be offended. Safe spaces. Snowflakes. I guess it is to be expected with generations raised where everybody gets a trophy.

You guys enjoy your site. I may check in occasionally to see if there is anything of interest. I don't see much reason to start a thread with this crowd.


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[TreeDaddy]

If you think its rough here, head over to Habitat Talk and watch MoBuckChaser and SSmith slap Jack Yoder around.

Bring your Kevlar vest if you post there

bill

 

[W33kender]

My uncle the psychiatrist listened to me go on and on about somebody who I let get under my skin one night around the camp fire. I filled the air with vitriol. Unc then asked me, "Do you want to have a problem with that guy?"

I answered, "No, not really" after a moment of reflection.

"Then don't." Within five minutes I was in a better mood and the topic of conversation changed.

I'm not saying we have to enjoy posts that annoy us. But I am saying we have the freedom to FIDO from posts and people rather than flame them.

 

[wbpdeer]

W33kender,

Your uncle gave good advice. Life is too short to dwell on the annoying details. By the way, I am 63 years old and the trophy reference don't apply to the decades I grew up in. Doubt that fits for Kubota either.

 

[Blizzard Ridge]

I look at reaching a goal as an achievement, NOT winning a competition. So many guys look at managing their land as a competition for "the deer" with their neighbors. That'll take the fun out of it in a hurry when the neighbor shoots a nice buck. They get upset that the neighbor "Won". Pure nonsense!

I don't care what the neighbors kill in a given year. Sure it is sad when you have watched a specific buck for numerous years to see him get taken by a neighbor but that doesn't feel like I lost when it comes to land. Every enhancement we make is a win or an achievement goal in your words. I believe in my words I was talking about the competition between myself and the buck that I am trying to harvest that given year. So when I harvest my target deer for the year, yes it is a win. Although the score is askew because it would be deer 10,246 - 4, I still feel like I won on that given year. I think you are looking a little too deep into my comment.

 

[Blizzard Ridge]

Reagan I 100% agree with you on a 4 yr old buck being a trophy no matter what his rack size is. Each person's goals are different that is the beauty of a site like this one, you can take each persons goals, achievements and opinions into consideration when working towards our own individual goals and I feel it makes each one of us a better hunter/land manager. I just happen to be a person that sets goals and mark achievements as a win on that given day. I don't know if it is the old athlete in me or the years of coaching I did after. My goal as a coach is to teach each kid to be a gracious winner as well as loser of that 1 battle but to never accept failure and to strive to succeed in whatever that is you do in life. Just because we lose one battle does not mean we still can't succeed in our ultimate goal(s).

We had a football team that lost a game during the regular season and our goal was to reach a state title game (which is our top goal for the season as a team). We lost that game and moved on to steam roll through the playoffs to the state title game in which we lost that battle but we did achieve our ultimate team goal that season even though we all felt like failures after the regular season loss and the State Championship. Winning and losing is a mindset. Satchmo says this is reaching an achievement which I agree with but what is the difference of reaching an achievement or winning that one battle(whatever that may be in life)? Regardless of how we want to look at things in life it is a life of wins and losses whether that be a football game, landing a job we wanted, keeping the job we wanted, getting the raise you wanted, raising our families to the best of our abilities and ultimately living our life to reach our religious goals whatever that may be for each individual. I would like to think I can call it a win when I am walking through the pearly gates!

 

[Satchmo]

Blizzard,
There is a world of difference IMHO between a sports competition and taking pride in building the best wildlife habitat you possibly can, and harvesting some nice bucks along the way because of it. If you look at everything in life as a competition, I think you are going to overlook a lot of truly great moments in life by not enjoying the journey. Don't get me wrong, I take my land and habitat projects very seriously. I always have a list of things that I'd like to get accomplished each year, but if I don't, no big deal. I take solace in the fact that things will all get done in time. With this more relaxed approach.........I never lose and I always enjoy the journey.

 

[Blizzard Ridge]

Blizzard,
There is a world of difference IMHO between a sports competition and taking pride in building the best wildlife habitat you possibly can, and harvesting some nice bucks along the way because of it. If you look at everything in life as a competition, I think you are going to overlook a lot of truly great moments in life by not enjoying the journey. Don't get me wrong, I take my land and habitat projects very seriously. I always have a list of things that I'd like to get accomplished each year, but if I don't, no big deal. I take solace in the fact that things will all get done in time. With this more relaxed approach.........I never lose and I always enjoy the journey.

I don't disagree with your approach at all. To each their own. I never once said others need to follow my approach to life and don't expect many would. I am just a person that strives to be as successful as possible in everything I do. I also do this for a living so if I don't take this approach then how would I be successful or my clients be successful. So if you paid me to come hunt and said oh I am feeling a little under the weather today I think I am just going to lay on couch and watch football today and oh by the way I am sorry that farm had a great place for a 3 acre plot on it but well I didn't get to it and sorry there is no bedding on that farm because I didn't get my hinge cutting done last winter/spring. So here are the coordinates to get to your farm and you need to get some stands hung to hunt because I didn't have time, oh by the way the neighbors around that property don't like trespassing so don't get off the farm. Oh you don't know where the lines are? No big deal it's not my ticket. Pretty sure you wouldn't want to pay for that service and I couldn't take people's hard earned money for that service.

So as you can see I don't have time to sit and smell the roses so to say. But I can guarantee you this I do not overlook any great moments and have them everyday (I meet great people along the way). I also have had an awesome journey to this point in life and as long as I continue to breathe I will not miss a thing along the way. I will just pass by these moments faster than some on my journey. But I agree this approach is not for everyone but it is "MY" approach.

 

[Triple C]

Guess this thread took a detour from it's original intent. We all know folks that annoy us for one reason or another. I just try to avoid those that annoy me. At 60, I've reached to point where I don't want to live life or do things just to please people. 1st and foremost, I want to please me and my family. Life's too short. When it comes to forums, I don't get personal attacks. If you disagree then disagree with their position with a rebuttal or other point of view. Personal attacks simply have no place here. It solves absolutely nothing and adds no value whatsoever.