What brassica's?

catscratch

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I'm getting ready to order some of the new "smart radish", and figure I might as well make an order out of it. Is there anything you guys would recommend planting with it; kale, cabbage, mustard, rape, chicory, etc.? Don't suggest turnips as I have planted them for yrs without as much as a nibble... wasted space at my place.
 
I ordered up some forage collards from them guys and just got them in the ground a little over a week ago. No report back yet. If you're willing to step out a little, maybe throw in a pound of this stuff. I might mix some of this into my fall plot next year. Don't really know yet when to plant something like this:


For as hungry as my deer are, I think if I got the right forage sorghum out there, it could pay huge dividends.
 
I plant kale and rape every year with my brassica. Deer hit it pretty early. You ever planted a forage radish like jackhammer? I can't even get it to grow as they hit it so early then they feed on the other brassica. But those Kansas deer are on the juice so doubt they need it. Some people do watermelon mix but high deer number keep me from that.
 
rapeseed for sure - deer like it early like dogghr said. For me - I'd also mix in a few turnips. We went time after time without any interest from the deer, I quit planting them. Then I planted a mix that had them, with oats and other brassica (big-n-beasty) - and while I didn't like the oats in the mix - the deer liked them early and then turned on to the radish and turnips. I think it helped my deer discover turnips - now I can plant them and the all get ate every year - sometimes late even after season - but all are gone every year no matter how many I plant.
 
So... I'm looking at the new radish seed, rapeseed, and chicory. I think I'll pass on the sugar sorghum this time around, I don't think want something that tall in this mix.

Any suggestions on pounds/acre of each seed for this mix?
 
If planted early enough (too late for this year), I can’t say enough about rutabaga/Winfred combo.
 
Collards? Check out the collard variety on Green Cover Seed. Sounds interesting.
I bought several pounds of it and included it in my throw and mow brassica planting 10 days ago.
While you are at the GCS site, also check out African cabbage. I also mixed in some of that. It's early growth has been more impressive than any other brassica in my mix.
 
I've had good luck planting smooth Kale, and Rapeseed in my brassica plots.

Here is my combo that works well: Per acre
5# Groundhog forage radish
3# Purple Top Turnips
2# Dwarf Essex Rape
 
I already made my order; the new radish, rape, and chicory. Thanks for the help guys!

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That potential for twice the top growth is why I'm keeping it a simple mix with only a couple of varieties... I'll post progress, either on a specific thread or on my land thread.
Let us know how the smart radish works out. Potential for twice the top growth as regular radish sounds like a good thing for plots.

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I know that you've already chosen your varieties, so I'm not trying to talk you into collards. This is more of a question to anyone out there that has tried collards and how they worked out for you. There seems to be some traits with this variety of collard, IFC (Impact Forage Collard) that may make a Northern result a lot different than a Southern result.
The red text was taken from the Green Cover Seed website. Black text is my comments or thoughts.

This 1st paragraph is under "basic info"...

Vernalization is required for collards to bolt (become reproductive) therefore planting anytime during the growing season will result in pure vegetative growth (no bolting from planting early like other brassicas??) Vernalization is a prolonged cold special that triggers a species genetic code within the plant to start reproducing. This is important because the longer a species stays in the vegatative stage, the more total biomass production potential. In fact you could plant collards in the spring and it they will continue to grow through that next spring before trying to reproduce. Collards growing point is protected close to the surface making for excellent regrowth potential after grazing. Premium forage produced by collard ranks it above many other options on the current market place in CP and digestibility (Green Cover Seed tends to be geared more toward livestock, so "digestibility" is not the same to deer as it is to cattle).

So, some of us have deer herds that utilize other varieties of brassica as soon as they emerge. We can plant them in the spring and they get eaten all summer. There's no need for a freeze for our deer to start eating brassica. It sounds like IFC could be an interesting addition to a mix that's broadcasted in mid spring into thin areas, or planted during that traditional brassica planting time of ~July.


2nd paragraph was from the "Disadvantages" section, although some of the disadvantages they cite may not be exactly a disadvantage to our application.
Brassicas can produce excellent quality hay but the biggest difficulty is getting the biomass to dry down effectively. Therefore haylage or grazing are more suitable uses. Collards biggest pest issue seems to be cabbage beetle, which can devour the leaves with extreme effectiveness when in concentrated populations. This species has a waxy leaf which can be difficult to get a good herbicide termination. So be sure to utilize a surfactant or sticking agent to insure the chemical adheres to the leaf surface. Glyphosate termination is not recommended as you won't likely get a sufficient kill so, be sure to use broadleaf specific herbicide. Mowing is not a feasible option for termination because this species will effectively grow back from the crown. Don't ever plant any brassicas in a field where canola will be grown due to potential disease issues.
Almost sounds like IFC is a bit gly resistant. Is that good or bad? Could we be able to control the unwanted weeds with gly while the collards survive?? Would IFC be a nice addition to a Roundup Ready plot?
The part about mowing not being an option for termination seems to be a good thing IMO. A lot of plotters rely mostly on mowing to control broadleaf weeds. I don't exactly agree with that because some weeds grow and re-seed so low to the ground that they cannot be mowed short enough to eliminate them, but none the less, it sounds like mowing IFC would not terminate the plot. Good or bad? I'd say a good thing. Plus, it sounds like deer cannot eat it to death like they can with a lot of other summer forages.



This last paragraph was taken from the "Tolerance" section.
Collards has proven itself to thrive within an array of seasonal extremes. For our northern producers, collards have been able to withstand conditions below zero for several days without any protection. Making Impacts one of the most winter hardy brassicas currently available. Leaves may wilt or burn around the edges but vegetation will remain green and viable throughout the winter (around here, pretty much anything that's green in the winter becomes deer food. Stuff they won't touch at any other time gets eaten if it's green...sedge is one example). On the other extreme, once collards large tap root sets into the soil profile, it can thrive during the hot, dry summers that many of us experience. Collards resilience and waxy leaves, will allow it to hold on through the harshest conditions until better days come. Collards can tolerate continued, low grazing pressure which explains why mowing is not a viable termination method.
In my region, winters are a roller coaster ride. Although it happens, we seldom have below zero temps and when we do have them, they don't last for days on end. We often have periods of temps in the 40s and even the 50s. So would IFC be a viable winter forage for areas like mine? I wonder.
I like the fact that it can tolerate low temps AND heavy grazing pressure. Seems to me that come spring, when the rains come and my other brassica varieties are eaten to dirt (mud), IFC would be a better soil protector with it's living taproot system.
I also wonder if IFC has the potential to become a difficult "weed" to eradicate from our plots if we have the need to do so.
More and more of us are not tilling these days, so tillage is not an desirable option for termination. Neither is mowing. What types of herbicides can we use to terminate it that won't also complicate our other planting options?


I've throw and mow broadcasted some IFC last month. A few spots were in a brassica mixture and a couple spots were pure IFC. I'll be anxious to monitor their vigor and use.
Am I the only one on this forum that has tried IFC for plots? I'd love to hear some input from other Northern (6B) guys. I'm not sure if Southern guys would have the same feel for this forage as Northern guys?? I'm not sure.
 
I'm curious to know on the collards as well, I'm looking to use them in a heavy grazing (cows, not deer) clover plot that I'm hoping will reseed themselves.

I'm not sure on the Rup resistant, I think it may have more to do with the waxy leaves, its hard to get the Rup to stick and translocate. But I'm not sure Id rely on it to be able to spray Rup on a plot and not have them die. Even before it was RR, Alfalfa was somewhat Rup tolerant, meaning if you sprayed Gly and wanted it to kill the alfalfa, it wouldn't, but if you sprayed it on accident, itd smoke the whole field lol.
 
I know that you've already chosen your varieties, so I'm not trying to talk you into collards. This is more of a question to anyone out there that has tried collards and how they worked out for you. There seems to be some traits with this variety of collard, IFC (Impact Forage Collard) that may make a Northern result a lot different than a Southern result.
The red text was taken from the Green Cover Seed website. Black text is my comments or thoughts.

This 1st paragraph is under "basic info"...

Vernalization is required for collards to bolt (become reproductive) therefore planting anytime during the growing season will result in pure vegetative growth (no bolting from planting early like other brassicas??) Vernalization is a prolonged cold special that triggers a species genetic code within the plant to start reproducing. This is important because the longer a species stays in the vegatative stage, the more total biomass production potential. In fact you could plant collards in the spring and it they will continue to grow through that next spring before trying to reproduce. Collards growing point is protected close to the surface making for excellent regrowth potential after grazing. Premium forage produced by collard ranks it above many other options on the current market place in CP and digestibility (Green Cover Seed tends to be geared more toward livestock, so "digestibility" is not the same to deer as it is to cattle).

So, some of us have deer herds that utilize other varieties of brassica as soon as they emerge. We can plant them in the spring and they get eaten all summer. There's no need for a freeze for our deer to start eating brassica. It sounds like IFC could be an interesting addition to a mix that's broadcasted in mid spring into thin areas, or planted during that traditional brassica planting time of ~July.


2nd paragraph was from the "Disadvantages" section, although some of the disadvantages they cite may not be exactly a disadvantage to our application.
Brassicas can produce excellent quality hay but the biggest difficulty is getting the biomass to dry down effectively. Therefore haylage or grazing are more suitable uses. Collards biggest pest issue seems to be cabbage beetle, which can devour the leaves with extreme effectiveness when in concentrated populations. This species has a waxy leaf which can be difficult to get a good herbicide termination. So be sure to utilize a surfactant or sticking agent to insure the chemical adheres to the leaf surface. Glyphosate termination is not recommended as you won't likely get a sufficient kill so, be sure to use broadleaf specific herbicide. Mowing is not a feasible option for termination because this species will effectively grow back from the crown. Don't ever plant any brassicas in a field where canola will be grown due to potential disease issues.
Almost sounds like IFC is a bit gly resistant. Is that good or bad? Could we be able to control the unwanted weeds with gly while the collards survive?? Would IFC be a nice addition to a Roundup Ready plot?
The part about mowing not being an option for termination seems to be a good thing IMO. A lot of plotters rely mostly on mowing to control broadleaf weeds. I don't exactly agree with that because some weeds grow and re-seed so low to the ground that they cannot be mowed short enough to eliminate them, but none the less, it sounds like mowing IFC would not terminate the plot. Good or bad? I'd say a good thing. Plus, it sounds like deer cannot eat it to death like they can with a lot of other summer forages.



This last paragraph was taken from the "Tolerance" section.
Collards has proven itself to thrive within an array of seasonal extremes. For our northern producers, collards have been able to withstand conditions below zero for several days without any protection. Making Impacts one of the most winter hardy brassicas currently available. Leaves may wilt or burn around the edges but vegetation will remain green and viable throughout the winter (around here, pretty much anything that's green in the winter becomes deer food. Stuff they won't touch at any other time gets eaten if it's green...sedge is one example). On the other extreme, once collards large tap root sets into the soil profile, it can thrive during the hot, dry summers that many of us experience. Collards resilience and waxy leaves, will allow it to hold on through the harshest conditions until better days come. Collards can tolerate continued, low grazing pressure which explains why mowing is not a viable termination method.
In my region, winters are a roller coaster ride. Although it happens, we seldom have below zero temps and when we do have them, they don't last for days on end. We often have periods of temps in the 40s and even the 50s. So would IFC be a viable winter forage for areas like mine? I wonder.
I like the fact that it can tolerate low temps AND heavy grazing pressure. Seems to me that come spring, when the rains come and my other brassica varieties are eaten to dirt (mud), IFC would be a better soil protector with it's living taproot system.
I also wonder if IFC has the potential to become a difficult "weed" to eradicate from our plots if we have the need to do so.
More and more of us are not tilling these days, so tillage is not an desirable option for termination. Neither is mowing. What types of herbicides can we use to terminate it that won't also complicate our other planting options?


I've throw and mow broadcasted some IFC last month. A few spots were in a brassica mixture and a couple spots were pure IFC. I'll be anxious to monitor their vigor and use.
Am I the only one on this forum that has tried IFC for plots? I'd love to hear some input from other Northern (6B) guys. I'm not sure if Southern guys would have the same feel for this forage as Northern guys?? I'm not sure.

I’m going to order some to broadcast with my mixes. Can you update me on your results from a few years ago? It seems like these would be a great addition to a perennial plot but I don’t see a lot of guys talking about them.
 
I’m going to order some to broadcast with my mixes. Can you update me on your results from a few years ago? It seems like these would be a great addition to a perennial plot but I don’t see a lot of guys talking about them.
I have not had luck establishing collards but I dont know the reason why.
I have done germination tests and had excellent viability.
Maybe its growing but deer are keeping it eaten down to the point that I cannot identify that its there?? I dont know.
One major flaw that I have is my lack of exclusion cages. Having some cages could help answer some questions.
I'd still like to hear some other guys chime in on collards. Everything that I read in the Green Cover Seed description makes collards seem like a great forage. Im surprised that nobody else has tried them.
 
I have not had luck establishing collards but I dont know the reason why.
I have done germination tests and had excellent viability.
Maybe its growing but deer are keeping it eaten down to the point that I cannot identify that its there?? I dont know.
One major flaw that I have is my lack of exclusion cages. Having some cages could help answer some questions.
I'd still like to hear some other guys chime in on collards. Everything that I read in the Green Cover Seed description makes collards seem like a great forage. Im surprised that nobody else has tried them.
I planted some in bare dirt where I had done a lot of earth moving. Put in a mix of everything I had. The collards came, and it was all looking fantastic. Then the guy that mows my yard thought he was doing me a favor by mowing that too. That was the end of that. The cereals took over from there.

They were a very small portion of my overall blend. I put zero amendments on this spot, and I was blown away at how well everything grew. No collards in this photo though.
mix.jpg
 
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