Trophy rock versus mineral block- has anyone tested for preference ?

I'm with Broom.....I use the same block he has the link to....50 lbs for $6 is tough to beat. I seriously doubt minerals are going to make a significant impact in free range deer, I simply use the sites for cam surveys. I go thru 2 blocks a year at the most per site. For a new site I buy a gallon jug of molasses and pour it on top of the mineral block.
 
Mineral feeding isn't rocket science....and science can actually do more harm than good for this topic. Pay more attention to the animals and the habitat as they are not misleading! Relying on science based mineral offering ignores the animal's sense of 'nutritional wisdom' and infers a management style of a confinement without selection opportunity! IF you don't believe me, just simply ask some of the top mineral nutritionist about 'nutritional wisdom of ruminants' to meet mineral needs while you enjoy the reading the folks like Fred Provenza.

Our decision to change from Trophy Rock to Redmund DuraBlock had nothing to do with politics (I can't see punishing my professional friend contacts because of the ills of a no-profit sponsor facing bankruptcy...but like many of you I would like to see some justice be served...and it will in time be served). Cattle and deer are attracted to the Redmund product (I've seen cows eat a whole block in 2 days and destroy a rock in a half day). The dura block weighs 44 lbs vs 10 lbs for the rock.....block costs $10 which is 50% less than the rock and lasts 2-3 times as long. So I don't spend much money or time on year round mineral for deer and it is a great tool for getting deer pics (note some mature bucks won't eat from a feeder but will lick the block 5' away).

We also pay a lot of attention to the cow herd. When they consume Redmund salt, their intake of regular cattle mineral declines noticeably....so they are indeed getting more of what they need from Redmund product besides the salt content. I have seen the cow paw the ground where a rock once disintegrated...whereas they ignore the area where bags of top deer mineral were dumped. I can promise if a cow turns her nose up for a mineral product, then it probably isn't much good for your deer herd either...since both share the same habitat...and that habitat will have the same deficiencies for both...the comparison is correlated!

What we also note with the cows is that when forb and woody specie diversity/abundance are low in a paddock, mineral intake increases. I also see an increase in late summer mineral consumption if we mow weeds too aggressively this time of year in a paddock. Ironically, deer use will be lowest in areas which lack forb diversity or abundance....probably a reason for that related to minerals!

The majority of forages contain inadequate sodium to meet animal needs at certain times of year and why you will see variation in annual salt consumption and why offering salt in >20" rainfall zones is just good sense. Habitat can also be deficient in dynamic mineral accumulating plants (broadleaf, legume or woody) either year round or during certain times of year. These plants bring up certain minerals from subsoil and store them in their tissues...think of it as a living salt lick for the animal. Further some soils lack certain elements on a regional scale...not a great deal you can do there as it is likely that region also lacks a dynamic accumulator for that certain element. Rainfall amount and pattern also affect plant mineral availability and deficiency. Thus, the need and "preference" for a mineral is confounded by many factors. Dou you have the dynamic m

Mineral deprived animals may pound the hell out of a poor quality mineral when it is offered initially then ignore it a month later...that can skew preference ratings. That is why we look at long term use over years....Redmund wins there....but you may see different results.

The animal also adapts to mineral deficiency thought changes at the DNA level (epigenetic adaptation of time) and they have the ability to store some elements as a 'reserve for lean times' by remobilizing those elements from body tissues when demand exceeds intake.

The social aspect of Redmund block is that it is a livestock product and can be offered free choice as a normal ag practice on properties which have livestock in states where attractants for wildlife are illegal. Politics and disease concern may eventually seal the fate of wildlife attractants proper!

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Does Lucky Buck fall in this categorical comparison ??
I tried Lucky... Buck at one of my mineral sites this year. I can't see where the deer are utilizing it all. The Lucky Buck was poured directly on the ground circling this entire stump. The red block has been sitting on top for 15 months. The Trophy Rock in the foreground has been replaced five times in the same time frame.

Was going to try Stump Likker this year because a buddy was getting good results with it, but I opted not to because to date everything utilizes the Trophy Rock. I don't mind paying the extra $$$ for the convenience of the easier handling and placement.
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Speaking of cattle... dgallow. Last year I placed a Trophy Rock on a stump in a tight funnel between a high tensile pasture and a river. The cattle came right through the fence and wiped it out in one day. I wasn't expecting that :(
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Based on my observations, no mineral that I have put out attracts deer quicker and or better than trophy rock. With that said, I mix put out cheap blocks covered with deer cocaine and kool aid every year and leave the trophy rocks for survey purposes.
 
The severely salt deprived (months) cow herd can be like a bulldozer despite a fence! This can work to one's advantage for creating planned disturbance with short term salt deprivation (week)...that is sometimes how we accentuate low fuel load fire breaks or make a thicket less of a thicket or seedbed prep for a small clover patch or small plot. It is a tip I picked up from the holistic grazing school.

Ironic....Gene Price and I were talking last week....he told me about a cow herd which crashed a fence to get to the rocks that were laying on the camp picnic table....big mess in the end and manure all over everything....he wasn't happy but understood. HE has been a good friend and contact.

Mineral and cattle are fun landscaping tools to play with.

Grew tired of this roc laden brier thicket and set the mineral feeder right in the middle.



No-till throw and mob plotting...(100 head on 1/2 ac)




Blocks along a winter firebreak project.
 
Use to use trophy rock and lucky bucket on all my camera sites. Now I just use 50lb blocks from TSC. Deer still use it nightly, lasts a lot longer and much cheaper. I too add koolaid on top from time to time. Trophy rock did work great just cant justify the extra cost for lil if any gain on my properties.
 
IF a guy is just interested in sodium (and not interested in the debates over the form of sodium offered...FYI some folks don't like the chloride form of sodium), then it is hard to beat these economics and simplicity....$3 with TSC discount....and one is kept in the cattle mineral feeder. And sure deer will use them...and they are easier to hide from prying eyes if buried near an old stump to let the salt wick up the wood vs a white blob in the timber.
 
We do a mix of stock salt and range mineral from Tractor Supply. Cost about 30 bucks for both bags and makes about 100 pounds of mix. The deer love it.STC_0328.JPG
 
Yea, I use the mineral block so it's not a white blob...deer don't seem to mind...

1 year I was in Atwoods and at the end of year clearance I bought a few really cheap - Like $2 apiece - boxes of Evolved Harvest Block Topper. That next fall I decided to use them up to see if it would do as claimed. I was impressed by the chemical reaction but the deer didn't seem to like it all that much for quite awhile. Now having said that I did start using it in October and the fall is not a great time to be worrying about mineral as we get very little use by deer in fall since the menu is now all changed and salt is not as preferred as it is during the antler growing and fawning times...

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http://www.evolved.com/attractants/minerals-blocks/block-topper.html
 
I'm with Broom.....I use the same block he has the link to....50 lbs for $6 is tough to beat. I seriously doubt minerals are going to make a significant impact in free range deer, I simply use the sites for cam surveys. I go thru 2 blocks a year at the most per site. For a new site I buy a gallon jug of molasses and pour it on top of the mineral block.

Deer like salt. I like to have deer in front of my 3-5 trail cams during the summer.

So I buy trophy rocks and put them in front of the cams because they are convenient to purchase and last about as long as I need them too.

'nuf said....

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Yea, I use the mineral block so it's not a white blob...deer don't seem to mind...

1 year I was in Atwoods and at the end of year clearance I bought a few really cheap - Like $2 apiece - boxes of Evolved Harvest Block Topper. That next fall I decided to use them up to see if it would do as claimed. I was impressed by the chemical reaction but the deer didn't seem to like it all that much for quite awhile. Now having said that I did start using it in October and the fall is not a great time to be worrying about mineral as we get very little use by deer in fall since the menu is now all changed and salt is not as preferred as it is during the antler growing and fawning times...

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http://www.evolved.com/attractants/minerals-blocks/block-topper.html
I too tried... the Block Topper, OkieKubota. I had the same results. The few deer that were utilizing the salt block stopped when I added the Block Topper.
 
I also spent... a year (and around $700) experimenting with Complete Whitetail Nutritions minerals topped of with trace mineral blocks from Tractor Supply. Activity was sporadic at best.
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I never bought into the hype about Trophy Rock and just always used either straight white salt or trace mineral salt for cattle. Then this year I saw a Trophy Rock on sale for $10 and thought what the heck. The deer ate the whole thing in a week!! Every buck on the place has been on it. I'm on my third one now.
 
First ..not sitting in judgement of anyone plus it is my nature and my beliefs.. but it is QDMA's loss not ours that I/we have parted company ..BUT hate is like taking poison and expecting someone else to die ..we have a good thing going here and the high road in how WE as a group.. act, think and talk will make us better than the place most of us have migrated from ..nuff said

Now in case you have not read or heard or whatever ..Redmond is the mothership the the Trophy Rock ..but a far far bigger piece of their business is the horse industry ..and they service it with 50lb bags of the same stuff but crushed (same stuff) as the non crushed Trophy Rock (like smsmith stated above) and for about the same $$ you get 50# of product ..just dig a barrel sized diameter hole 6" deep and throw in a bag ..1 bag 4 to 6 months (time of year and use)

You can go to Redmonds web site ..put in your zip and find the nearest dealer to you ..the business name will most likely alert you to where the 50# crushed bags will be found ******* like "Bobs Sporting Goods" vs Morgan County Seed and Feed

This ends up being the most effective least expensive successful system I have yet to find ..for now at least

Bear
Thanks for the tip, I will definitely be looking into it.
 
Thanks everyone. I have always noticed the deer hitting trophy rock harder than a mineral block from your local feed and seed store. I am going to try the combo from Redmonds- looking for the most cost effective solution.


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I never bought into the hype about Trophy Rock and just always used either straight white salt or trace mineral salt for cattle. Then this year I saw a Trophy Rock on sale for $10 and thought what the heck. The deer ate the whole thing in a week!! Every buck on the place has been on it. I'm on my third one now.
I had similar results the first time I used one. I get frequent use from my well established salt and mineral licks, but the rocks get A TON of attention when I use them for camera surveys.
 
Ok, so what the heck is the secret in the trophy rock that seems to make it top dog? I have a mix that I use on sites and they do get hit but I would not say that hard. In the past I used to put deer cane down and deer would have a small pond in a few years. I have no idea why I stopped using it. I have also had very good success with sidewalk salt. Deer give it hell too.
 
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