Tree of Heaven, love it or hate it...

Tap

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...Now is the time of year to cut it and put it's leaves within browsing reach.
My deer absolutely hammer every last leaf they can reach.
I know a lot of guys want to eradicate the stuff, that's up to you. But if you're gonna cut it do it now instead of after the leaf drop.
There's a lot of tonnage that'll go to waste if you wait until winter.
 
Put me into the hate it group. Kill it and dont look back.
That is fine. Kill it. Live it up. But if you're gonna cut it, do it now before the leaf drop. If your deer are anything like mine, you might want to just control it every year and cut it. I don't think that I will ever try to eliminate it. But my deer love the stuff...yours may be different.

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That is fine. Kill it. Live it up. But if you're gonna cut it, do it now before the leaf drop. If your deer are anything like mine, you might want to just control it every year and cut it. I don't think that I will ever try to eliminate it. But my deer love the stuff...yours may be different.

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They might eat it, Tap, but if i had enough to provide benefit to whitetails, i would have a serious problem with natural and beneficial regeneration in my woodland. I think your experience that they browse it heavily is notable, but not worth letting that stuff form thickets, in my opinion.
 
They might eat it, Tap, but if i had enough to provide benefit to whitetails, i would have a serious problem with natural and beneficial regeneration in my woodland. I think your experience that they browse it heavily is notable, but not worth letting that stuff form thickets, in my opinion.

I think you may be misunderstanding my point.
In no way am I saying that ToH should be encouraged. In fact, I'm advocating that you cut it. It's the timing of when you cut it is the point of this thread. Timely cutting of this invasive will provide at least some benefit to the herd. I've had a modest amount of ToH on my property for quite a few years now. It's not spreading or dominating in the least and I believe the way I manage it is the reason why it hasn't become a problem.

I cut almost all of it in late summer, usually in September. (I usually don't cut the 1 year-old trees). And my deer flock to the cuttings. I can't exaggerate how much of a magnet this stuff is when I put it on the ground. They eat the green leaves, every leaf, they don't browse the twigs.
The following year, the cut stumps will re-sprout and grow a roughly 8 foot tree, which I'll cut again, and the deer pound it once again. After about 3 years of cutting, that individual tree will die out. The few trees that I didn't cut that 1st year will now be ready for their 1st or 2nd cutting. It's a good rotation that works well for me. I provide easy, free, highly desirable tonnage during the period of the year when the established clover plots are still in summer dormancy, the new fall plots have just been planted, most of the summer crops are about gone, and the fall mast hasn't really started dropping yet. It's a perfect time of the year to provide a little natural food.

Now, that rotation that I do works well for me, in my zone, with the local herd. The timing you should cut and rotation may work differently for others in different parts of the country. You may want to cut and treat (with herbicide) on the very 1st year and eliminate the species all together. That's fine. I have no problem with that at all. My point is that, if you do have ToH, cut it before it drops it's leaves. Lots of guys will wait until winter or early spring to do TSI and hinge-cutting, but with ToH, it's a waste to not cut it when it's loaded with deer food.

Another benefit to providing deer candy just before hunting season is this. I really want the does to be completely content on my place in September. I want them to call my place "home" going into fall. Bucks will come in a month looking for those does and I'll be waiting for them.
 
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I knocked down this 5 year old TOH last week...a little later than I normally do. But it was still loaded with green leaves. In 2 days it was stripped bare.

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I think you may be misunderstanding my point.
In no way am I saying that ToH should be encouraged. In fact, I'm advocating that you cut it. It's the timing of when you cut it is the point of this thread. Timely cutting of this invasive will provide at least some benefit to the herd. I've had a modest amount of ToH on my property for quite a few years now. It's not spreading or dominating in the least and I believe the way I manage it is the reason why it hasn't become a problem.

I cut almost all of it in late summer, usually in September. (I usually don't cut the 1 year-old trees). And my deer flock to the cuttings. I can't exaggerate how much of a magnet this stuff is when I put it on the ground. They eat the green leaves, every leaf, they don't browse the twigs.
The following year, the cut stumps will re-sprout and grow a roughly 8 foot tree, which I'll cut again, and the deer pound it once again. After about 3 years of cutting, that individual tree will die out. The few trees that I didn't cut that 1st year will now be ready for their 1st or 2nd cutting. It's a good rotation that works well for me. I provide easy, free, highly desirable tonnage during the period of the year when the established clover plots are still in summer dormancy, the new fall plots have just been planted, most of the summer crops are about gone, and the fall mast hasn't really started dropping yet. It's a perfect time of the year to provide a little natural food.

Now, that rotation that I do works well for me, in my zone, with the local herd. The timing you should cut and rotation may work differently for others in different parts of the country. You may want to cut and treat (with herbicide) on the very 1st year and eliminate the species all together. That's fine. I have no problem with that at all. My point is that, if you do have ToH, cut it before it drops it's leaves. Lots of guys will wait until winter or early spring to do TSI and hinge-cutting, but with ToH, it's a waste to not cut it when it's loaded with deer food.

Another benefit to providing deer candy just before hunting season is this. I really want the does to be completely content on my place in September. I want them to call my place "home" going into fall. Bucks will come in a month looking for those does and I'll be waiting for them.
You do ToH just like I do Hedge (the stump cut, eat leaves, and regrowth the following yr). Works very well this way.
 
I knocked down this 5 year old TOH last week...a little later than I normally do. But it was still loaded with green leaves. In 2 days it was stripped bare.

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Ok Tap. Fair enough.
 
Honestly, this thread is a disservice to any land manager. You never, ever cut tree of heaven, as this causes root sprouting and extremely fast spreading. ToH is a highly invasive tree that will take over your property before you even realize it. This is a very nasty tree that should be killed using herbicide, never cut.

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Honestly, this thread is a disservice to any land manager. You never, ever cut tree of heaven, as this causes root sprouting and extremely fast spreading. ToH is a highly invasive tree that will take over your property before you even realize it. This is a very nasty tree that should be killed using herbicide, never cut.

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Of course you can kill it. I said that earlier in the thread. Cut it and treat the stump with Tordon or whatever herbicide you prefer. Live it up.

You entirely missed my point which is...
Yes put it on the ground WHILE THE LEAVES ARE STILL GREEN AND LUSH. It's a highly preferred forage for my deer. At that point you can treat the stump and kill the roots and you've fed deer at the same time.

I've had to on my property ever sick I've lived here...32 years.
It has not spread AT ALL. In fact, after 3 or 4 years of cutting it, it loses it's vigor and dies. I have a few small patches (a dozen or so small trees) that have died-out after a few years of repeated cuttings. I've never treated any of the trees or stumps and it ain't spreading on my place.
But I have no issue with anyone who wants to eradicate it. I'm just a proponent of timing WHEN the best time to do it.



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Of course you can kill it. I said that earlier in the thread. Cut it and treat the stump with Tordon or whatever herbicide you prefer. Live it up.

You entirely missed my point which is...
Yes put it on the ground WHILE THE LEAVES ARE STILL GREEN AND LUSH. It's a highly preferred forage for my deer. At that point you can treat the stump and kill the roots and you've fed deer at the same time.

I've had to on my property ever sick I've lived here...32 years.
It has not spread AT ALL. In fact, after 3 or 4 years of cutting it, it loses it's vigor and dies. I have a few small patches (a dozen or so small trees) that have died-out after a few years of repeated cuttings. I've never treated any of the trees or stumps and it ain't spreading on my place.
But I have no issue with anyone who wants to eradicate it. I'm just a proponent of timing WHEN the best time to do it.



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The title of your thread implies that ToH might be something good. It is not good. That's like saying that bush honeysuckle is good.

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A quick Google search says that the Tree of Heaven, is also called the "Tree of Hell". It is listed as an invasive exotic as far away as New Zealand. The tree of Heaven suckers forming thickets and is allelopathic, meaning it is toxic to other to other plants. The tree of Heaven is an invasive exotic that can only be controlled with chemicals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailanthus_altissima
 
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