"Top of the Hill"

Chummer

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This is my project property. It is 72 acres located ten minutes from camp. My camp is 45 acres but my FIL owns the land so my options are limited there. I can plant what I want but can not cut much. My intentions are to include work at both properties in this thread. This piece is located at the end of a dirt road. I have one neighbor on the W border and the SW corner. The rest is surrounded by 26k acres of state land. My access is the NW corner The state trail goes around the 26k acres starts at my corner by angles far away from property. That leaves only my N line as an entry for trespassers. Most of the N line and the E + S lines are a long way from state access. The Neighbor that borders the west does not hunt. So that is the neighborhood layout. My goal is to centralize deer movement around the center main plot, and suck in deer from the thousands of acres of mature forest. There are no deer on this property over winter, they all migrate a few miles away to winter yarding areas.
 
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Yellow=trails or access
Orange=hinged or to be hinged
Blue=stream
Double green arrow= hopeful deer sidewalks
Red= open dead zone
Orchard ~1acre
Main plot ~ 2 acres
Thicket ~ 1.5 acres
Stars= stand sites
Planted trails were widened and hinged on both sides where possible.
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This is super Chummer. The map makes it really easy to visualize the whole property and how the parts fit in. Some initial thoughts--I really like the location of the apple orchards. Feedback is needed from the up north guys here as to which apple varieties bloom the latest to give you a chance to get more regular apples. Of course I'll keep track here this spring of the various bloom dates on many trees and you will be welcome to take any scions you may want for your property. It is best to have a variety of bloom dates but for your spot with its' late frosts, probably the later the better. Having apples every year there would be awesome.

I think more buck sidewalks connecting all the functional areas together to help keep the buck busy and on your property and of course providing junctions with multiple buck trails at stand locations will enhance the plan. we want to be careful not to lead the deer off the property onto a yellow trail; I could see that maybe happening from the east apple orchard.

I would consider marking the stands for their intended huntable wind directions and using two symbols, one for low impact hunting stands that will be used regularly and another for those higher impact stands that will be used only if you need to. And of course additional buck sidewalks need to be coordinated with planned stands to not inadvertently send the deer downwind of you.

And could the buck trails connect in a way that the deer might use them as part of their migration trail? (Don't have a clue-just a thought)

You are well on your way to a really great setup Chummer. I'm very excited for you and wait to see the property evolve into the true "Top Of The Hill".
 
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Dave, thanks for the feed back. If I remember right the orchard has Dolgo, Chestnut, Golden Hornet, Honeycrisp,and B.118 rootstock. The main plot has B.118 and Chestnut. This year I will be adding M.111 rootstock, and a few more I have on order(forgot the names). There is a main migration trail, it is a couple hundred yards off the SE corner. I am told it heats up with the first significant snow and is in heavy use around 11/30. I still have to scout it out. I could add more buck sidewalks in all the hinged area. There are a lot of logging roads in there I did not mark. I could block the access to atv's and use them to loop the deer around within the hinged areas. The yellow trails I market are for the most part intended to be atv's trails. The one down the west line is just a walking acces point to get to stands. The goal is to keep deer out off the NW corner. Nothing good will happen if deer are in there.
 
I did some research and the idea of different grafting on a tree was likely based on a flawed assumption(that the type of grafts was the largest contributor to successfully getting apples in extra cold spring environments). Apparently grafting onto different root stocks will alter the date of blossoming of the graft, some will make them later and others earlier. Further the pollination success isn't just based on frost or no frost but also on the temperature even if well above frosts. Some apples are more capable of higher pollination rates in colder temperatures than others. Its not complicated but does require a little research to match the best varieties to your unique weather. I edited the original post so as not to steer anybody wrong.

Apparently though there is a solution that will increase the chances of having apples every year on the Hill.
 
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I did some research and the idea of different grafting was based on a flawed assumption. Apparently grafting onto different root stocks will alter the date of blossoming of the graft, some will make them later and others earlier. Further the pollination success isn't just based on frost or no frost but also on the temperature even if well above frosts. Some apples are more capable of higher pollination rates in colder temperatures than others. Its not complicated but does require a little research to match the best varieties to your unique weather.
I try to stay with zone 3-4 apples. I have rolled the dice on a few others, usually it doesn't end well. I would like to get into grafting some day. I will have 60 B.118 and M.111 rootstocks planted after this spring. They were planted as an experiment to see what they will do with the plan of grafting to them if I get into it. Between the two properties I will have around 60 caged trees of different varieties. Hoping for my first apples on some of them this year. I have another 50+ crabapples for pollinating scattered around.
 
Here are some quotes I took off of this website https://www.orangepippintrees.com/articles/planting-growing/pollination-of-fruit-trees

"Pollination also depends on having blossom to be pollinated - which is why the risk of late frosts which can damage blossom is sometimes a concern. Frosts just after pollination can also damage the first stages of fruit formation."

"Temperatures at blossom time are also very significant for effective pollination. Pollen germination in apples works best at temperatures in the range 15C-20C / 60F-70F. If you are in an area where spring temperatures are less than this (say around 10C / 50F) then you will need lots of pollinators and/or varieties that can germinate pollen at lower temperatures. James Grieve and some of its relatives (e.g. Falstaff) produce pollen which is viable in cool spring temperatures, as does Spartan."

"Rootstocks and flowering groups
Another complication is that the rootstock can affect the flowering times. For example, any apple variety grafted on the MM106 rootstock will tend to flower a few days ahead of the same variety on most other apple rootstocks, whilst the M9 and M25 rootstocks tend to delay flowering by a few days."

"Good pollinators and poor pollinators
Some varieties naturally tend to produce a lot of blossom over a long period, and/or are genetically highly compatible with a lot of other varieties - this makes them good pollinators for other varieties. Most crab apples fall into this category and commercial apple orchards sometimes inter-plant them for this purpose."

I see on your post made while I was writing this one that you have the pollinator thing down--excellent. My point here is that all of the best apples everyone else is using may or may not fit your very unique weather that the Hill "enjoys".
On the migration trail, I've heard the same thing. This year was early because of that earlier snow we had.

On the more deer trails, as you say, the deer will follow the logging roads that do not have pressure on them . The key in using those roads to move deer through the hinge cuts will be to be sure trails hook to them to bring the deer by your more low-impact stands. The crazy best stands will have the most heavily used trails junction by them, the best low impact access, and the most edge junction by them. Probably a scrape line, rubbed trees, browse and a waterhole all within view of the stand adds to making that super stand also. I know you already know this but when making out the plan it is easy to lose some of these thoughts. I'm not saying that keeping the deer away from the dangerous NW edge is not as important but only that making some stands as best as they a stand can be needs to be considered at the same time also.

The winds are pushing thirty already; its looking like a big one coming.
On the migration trail, I've heard the same thing. This year was early because of that earlier snow we had.
 
Stock up now, it looks like you will be snowed in till Monday. I love when they predict 48"+.
 
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I figured I will start at the beginning so I keep everything order. This is camp, we bought it in 2008. It was a total dump but the price was right. It is right next to my in-laws. The kids have loved spending weekends next to Nana and Papa. It has had a few face lifts over the years.
 
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This was my first plot in 2012. I small clearing way back in the woods. Still my favorite plots this is where all the big bucks visit and the only spot I get daytime pics. It is in the bottom of a step ravine so winds make it almost impossible to hunt.


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Apple and pear trees were the next bug to bite. I started planting them wherever I could find room. Not sure of the number of caged trees but it is north of 50.


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Grafted trees are great but I needed different things to plant. I start planting bare root seedlings. These gave me instant satisfaction. They are cheap and with low deer numbers survival has been great. Silky dogwood has become my favorite.


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It was soon apparent I needed more room. I reclaimed an old logging deck in the woods and cleared a couple acres of scrub brush that borders a five acre field. It gave me this nice plot in the woods out of sight from prying eyes.
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The 2 acre clearing gave me lots more room for apples(pears have not worked). I have it planted in clover and chicory. Various shrubs have been planted around the outside and around some islands on the inside. I forgot to mention this 2 acres was home to 12-15 old mature apple trees. Since releasing they have all started to produce again.


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With the apples in and caged and the ground planted it didn't take long to turn I to the best buffet around.


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