Starting from Scratch.

Discussion in 'Food Plots for Wildlife' started by Deadeye, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. cutman

    cutman Administrator Staff Member

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    Man, I hate to be Debbie Downer but I would give up on planting places like that. Not worth the time, effort, or money. I don’t think that little disk behind your atv does much - it appears to disturb the soil very little. I’d take the money you are spending now and put it towards protein feeders. Or I’d get a tractor with 5-6 foot disk and really break those trails up before planting again.
     
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    Prob be a great place to throw some fertilizer if the natural plants are attractive to deer. Mother Nature is pretty good at selecting plants that fit the niche.


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  3. Deadeye

    Deadeye Well-Known Member

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    Well today got back up to check on the food plot progress and to do some last minute fixing.

    The Plots where in the past I have put down lots of lime and fertilizer actually look pretty good. Where I had not, not so much.

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    So what was this “mix” that actually grew in our crap soil?

    Birdseed.

    Yes Birdseed. Mine was Pennington Classic which is a mix of Milo, Millet, Wheat, Black Sunflower, and misc.

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    $15 for a 40 lb bag at Walmart.

    While I’m here I am overseeing with Hancock Seed blend of Oats, Wheat, Rye Grain, and Clover.

    And I plan to make a run to the Tractor Supply store for bags of Lime n some Fertilizer to help it along.

    Hey I’m just happy to see some thing actually growing for once.


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  4. FarmerD

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    Just a few thoughts and hope they help. With food plotting, you have to adapt, improvise and over come! Every food plot is different.

    I wouldn't use bird seed any more because there are weed seeds in there, from a different part of the country and you could introduce something there that you could/will battle for a long time, in your very limited space.

    Get a soil test done and see where you are. Plant cereal rye and clover and start working on building your organic matter. Don't ever till again. Spray when needed and work on getting a good stand of clover, preferrably a perennial clover, but that can be difficult in your area and conditions

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  5. FarmerD

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    It's tuff, with heavy shade, with properly amended soil, you can have a chance. This is a small 40 foot diameter plot, (surrounded by pine trees) of Durana, between Macon Ga and Columbus Ga. I have to keep working at it and I do overseed, but it does produce. It's more loam, than sand.

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  6. Deadeye

    Deadeye Well-Known Member

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    Actually it does quite a lot. I set it to 4" because that is what the manufacture recommends. At times I have to go LESS because it is digging in so deep it gets hard to pull and starts to "ball up" the soil.

    It was made exactly for what I am doing with it, and why I bought it over a normal type disc. I do not really have roads into my areas, and some require driving between trees that make up the "trail". A larger disc would simply not work here.

    The Down Side is it takes awhile to get it worked up good, but it will do the job.


    But on the other part, this is my Last Effort to get plots going. If they don't grow this year then I will do the Spin Feeders just to be able to control the amount of feed being put out and not hogged up by the 'coons. The Gravity Feeders I built worked great but the 'coons really eat it all up way to quickly.
     
  7. Deadeye

    Deadeye Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I get all that.

    I was raised on a Farm in NW Pa. So I'm familiar with the process of Plowing, Discing, Harrow, Planting ETC.
    But that was years ago and I have moved so don't have the equipment and no where to keep them if I did where I'm at now.
    If Possible our next move will be to a place that has some acreage with it and I can do what I know to do better.

    But for now we do what we can. FWIW, Our place lies within in the "Your Soil Sucks For Clover" in all the maps Zone.
     
  8. Drycreek

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    Deadeye, I’m familiar with that “Your soil sucks for clover” soil. Your soil looks just like one place I hunt. I did manage to grow a helluva pea patch, about two acres, but since we have a helluva deer density, they only lasted six weeks. Now, I just grow wheat in the fall and leave it at that. I always get a bumper crop of goat weed and dog fennel, as well as various other weeds in the summer, but I guess organic matter is where you find it. The soil is getting better, but this is my last year to hunt there I think, so it’s a moot point at this time. Good luck on your place.
     
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  9. Deadeye

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    Well if this don't work to grow with the Oats/Wheat/Rye mix then I don't know what else to try.

    I get the Mow & Grow line of thinking and why it's done. But I didn't have any real growth to start with so really didn't have that option. I did the discing to break up the soil enough to get the seed into it. Hopefully it will take and from now on I can just Throw & Mow and be done with it.
     
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    This plot is coming along good. Deer are hitting it hard.

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    This one is Spotty but still more than we’ve ever had before. At the far end where it gets more Sun it looks pretty good.

    Cam died on this one so not sure how the deer are using or not using it.

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  11. Drycreek

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    Looks like you have lots of yaupon holly too, exactly like the place I hunt. I cleaned out a “down row” that looks just like the ones in your pics and I really couldn’t get anything to grow. They were basically east-west rows so sunlight was probably one issue. Basically though the soil is just crappy. You have had better success than I did.
     
  12. Deadeye

    Deadeye Well-Known Member

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    That’s an interesting fact you tossed out and caught my attention.

    The better looking row lies almost N-S and the spotty row lies E-W.

    I always figured Sunlight had a lot to do with it but never put the Row Direction into play before.

    That makes a lot of sense now.

    The Better Row I have been working on for 3 years to get to this point. The Spotty one about the same but with different seed and lime-fert mix.


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  13. Deadeye

    Deadeye Well-Known Member

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    The other plots, both new, are starting to look like they might just do ok.

    Planted 3-weeks ago.

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    There is actually more than what the pics show. You can see the green long before you get there.

    This plot is also new.

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    The feeder is tipped over because this guy showed up. A first for us.

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    Glad things coming along. I think I mentioned about said bear visiting that feeder. They are like the Biden fans standing in line for their free handout!/ or perhaps Trump fans, I’ll try b fair. They get the memo quick of easy corn. Good luck.
     
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  15. Kurt

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    Enjoyed seeing this thread. Kind of nice getting those trail cam pics of all the critters hitting your spots. Best of luck this fall on your hunts.
     
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  16. Drycreek

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    Bears or hogs, which are worse ?:( Here, I think bears, because we can’t shoot them. We can at least shoot the hogs.....good thing there are very few bears in East Texas.
     
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    We had one year of Bear season. The plan was to take 300 bears over a three day season.

    At the end of each day the hunters who had applied for a bear permit were to call in to see how many had been taken and if the season would continue the next day.

    They had their 300 before mid day.

    Florida is getting covered with bears, but the save the bears people have lots of money and political clout.

    The Governor then, Rick Scott, told the FWC to end the hunt and not hold anymore.


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