Discussion in 'Deer Tracking Dogs' started by wbpdeer, Jan 3, 2017.
See you soon in Olive Branch area.
Perry Update - 2 Ribbons Earned
Perry was delivered to Jacob Burris on Dec 4th, 2017. He was green - I learned early on Perry needed an experienced trainer for his strong personality. I lacked the necessary ability and experience to shape this pup. Jacob and I had discussed running Perry in a NASHDA Hunt Test to see if we could get one pass to make him eligible for the 2018 World NASHDA Event in April.
Jacob stuck to the training regiment that he uses. It appeared we would not have an event to run Perry. Jacob ran Perry at the Double Qualifier at Norm Henderson's Hunt Test Jan 27th. Perry's time on the first course was 3:30 which beats all of Scotty's Hunt Test. Perry was slower on the second course at over 11 minutes. Perry has never ran practice courses or prepped for a hunt test.
Jacob knew thru the daily training interaction he could do this and this firecracker of a pup got his first two ribbons at a NASHDA Hunt Test.
I continue to be impressed by the ability and skill Jacob demonstrates to develop and shape great habits in dogs/pups he trains. When he tells me where my dogs are at and what they can do - it has been spot on time after time. Perry has great potential and I am not cutting any corners with his training. To my credit I put what is best for Perry ahead of me having here to enjoy. I know a trained dog is 10 times more enjoyable than an untrained pet. At least it is for what I want.
When will Perry come home, maybe March 15 or more likely the end of March. I look forward to seeing Perry find his first wild shed antler. Got a photo of Jacob Burris with Perry and his two NASHDA Ribbons. Congrats Perry - proud of you. Thanks Jacob!
Earned Jan 2018 in Southern Indiana - Norm Henderson's Hunt Test
On Friday morning, Feb 16th, Scotty and I will head to Olive Branch, Mississippi to a NASHDA Hunt Test at Edward Norys farm. This location is about 25 miles south of Memphis.
Scotty will run his first two Senior Courses and if he does as well as his practice runs we should come home with his first 2 Senior Ribbons. I have been to enough Hunt Test to not take anything for granted. Weather, wind, course layout, planted antlers, handler error all give a dog plenty of challenges.
I am excited about this Mississippi Hunt Test - we will see new participants from AL, AR, LA, OK, and AZ that I know of. We will have other new participants from states that have had participants at previous test.
Ed Norys and his wife Heather have worked hard at promoting this sport and I look forward to a great event. We might get wet but Scotty will enjoy that - keeps him cooler.
I worked a farm this morning for 2 hours and 20 minutes and the temp got to 68 degrees. He slowed his pace down and I sit him about three times to keep him cool.
Anyone that owns a dog that retrieves waterfowl - it is a short learning curve to hunting antlers.
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Edward Norys and his wife Heather worked so hard in preparing for their Feb 17th Hunt Test. Their family and friends worked hard as well. The great success of this event was the new participants it attracted. In the last 9 months, Ed has attended many hunting shows and passed out literature about shed hunting and it paid off.
Based upon what I know, we had the following new states with the number of dogs in brackets: Arizona (3 dogs/One man), Oklahoma (1), Arkansas (1), Tennessee (2), Mississippi (1) that I know of. Sure made me feel good to see the 2 new TN participants.
In my experience with Chinese Chestnuts, I have told people over and over, Mother Nature is in Charge. Mother Nature had the final word on this hunt test. With rainfall for the days on end in advance of the hunt test and on the day of the event, plans had to be altered. Parking had to be moved to the extreme south end of the farm with a long muddy walk to the registration tent. This ole redneck walked - shed hunters walk miles on end. To Ed's credit that used a side by side and extra four wheelers for participants to get back and forth to the parking area.
The registration tent was a large tent approximately 30 by 60 or 25 by 50. It was a life saving. They provide canopies are each hold blind. The ground farm was spongy from all of the rain. Labs don't mind mud but it slows us adults down.
Scotty and I have been practicing water finds since mid December. Both courses had five or six times the amount of water they would normally have. We solved our water finds without an issue. On Course 1, we missed a shed in a brush pile and it cost up a pass. I take the blame for that one - Scotty acted birdy around the brush pile but I failed to check it adequately. If I had walked around the brush in a circular fashion we would have been in the chips. This week in preparation for the Indiana Hunt Test we have already done 12 practice brush piles of various levels of difficulty.
We struggled on course 2 but got 6 retrieves in 14:00 minutes. It did feel good to get our first Senior Pass. I appreciate the hard work that the host provided for this event. This is the 2nd Hunt Test in the South. Kentucky had one Jan 13th and Mississippi on Feb 17th. Edward Norys has a UKC Event on this same farm in March. If you are interested in attending that event please let me know.
Norman Henderson and John and Alexa Ballard did a great job judging in the rain.
Got a couple of photos from the Hunt Test. Thanks for reading this thread.
In the spring of 2017 when Scotty was learning under my rookie leadership I had my eye on a Hunt Test that I was hopeful in Southern Ohio at the Rarden Deer Festival. As I studied everything I could find about NASHDA I realized that all the hunt test were north with southern Indiana being the nearest.
The good news - this sport is growing quickly and it is growing in a southern direction - Bluegrass Antler Dogs and Mid-South Shed Dogs held events in Jan/Feb 2018. Things shaped up well - we had 2 Hunt Test in Sept 2017, 2 in Jan 2018 and 2 in Feb 2018.
Saturday, Feb 24th the alarm sounded at 3 AM, Scotty was ready as he knows my camo dry box I put my clothes in was right beside his crate. The dog's black tail was a dinging the crate. We were headed to Brownstown, Indiana area at 3:22 AM. What a rainy morning we had. One of our normal state/county roads in Indiana was closed due to flooding on Friday night.
Scotty had two good Senior runs yesterday with a time of 7:34 and then a time of 8:58. I took my time working him thru the course - my goal was to find all 6 antlers. Scotty had been prepped this week with 18 brush piles because of our missed antler last week in a brush pile. The training week paid off extremely well yesterday. He worked the brush well with a controlled pace with his head at a good height and his nose on a swivel. You can see his reaction the moment he sees the antler. He works the best path available to him. Brush piles teach a dog to circle / arch around for the least obstructed path.
Scotty is a great dog to travel with and to train with - he is not hard headed and does his best to provide what you want. Now our Perry he is a different personality.
Scotty has earned 9 ribbons to date: 6 Junior Ribbons and 3 Senior Ribbons. He and I have ran 12 courses and passed 9 of them. Antler count is 69 found out of 72 planted with the clock stopped any run that reaches 15 minutes. I have learned to hate planted antlers that are located next to a course boundary with the wind blowing directly to the boundary - dang too hard to get down wind of those antlers. As my preparation for course situations have improved Scotty's performance has improved.
Now we are re-directing our efforts toward wild antlers. Got to acquire a topper for my truck and we are going to other states to hunt shed antlers. We are hunting TN locations as well.
I got to see many friends yesterday in Indiana and I congratulate them on their successful runs. It takes about 2 calendar years / seasons for a shed dog to title out in NASHDA (6 Junior Passes, 6 Senior Passes, 6 Master Passes). Scotty is half finished right now. I am glad to see my friends dogs complete their Master Division Title - I just hope they have a younger dog that keeps them active in our sport.
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Update on Scotty and Perry's Success June 2, 2018
Scotty and Perry ran in a Double Qualifier in Linton, Indiana area on June 2, 2018. We were on the farm where Perry was born. The Home Coming was good for Perry and Scotty too. The temperature caused all the dogs some issues but Scotty dealt with better than most dogs there. Perry got too hot and I didn't take any water onto the course - my mistake.
Perry has the best time on Course A but he struggled on Course B. He was panting 90 mph with his tongue out about a foot. Hard to smell with those issues. He refused one antler that was in the sun so I skipped that one and we came back to it last to completed 6 good fines and retrieves. I was proud of him.
Scotty has been running Hunt Test since Sept 9, 2017 and has improved steadily with experience and from gaining maturity. Scotty had the best time of the Senior Dogs. He has the fastest time on Course D and was second fastest on Course C (beat by 13 Seconds on C). I was proud of what Scotty accomplished. For once he schooled some dogs that had been schooling us.
Scotty has earned 11 Ribbons and 1 more pass will complete his Senior Title. After Seniors we move to the Master Courses and it will involve large elk sheds. We are working on getting elk retrieves under control. The elk shed will weight in the 6 to 8 pound range.
Perry has earned 4 Ribbons and hopefully on Sept 29th at the Hunt Test here in Portland he will complete his Junior Title.
My dogs and I will run in Southern Ohio on Sept 8 and 9th in a two day UKC Elite Shed Dog Event. Southern Ohio is where Scotty and I started. Looking forward to getting our 2nd year going. I am hopeful Perry will reach his potential before 2 years of age. Each dog hits their mark when they hit their mark.
If anyone reading this post has an interest in learning about hunting shed antlers with a dog please contact me. I would be glad to help get you going.
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Did you ever travel to hunt wild sheds? I never heard from you.
This year I limited all of my shed hunting to same day travels. My plans got changed when I sent my youngest dog to the trainer in Indiana. Scotty and I hunted in southern KY and middle TN. I did take one long day trip to my son's farm on the Mississippi River in Randolph County, Illinois close to Chester, Illinois and Perryville, MO.
Scotty did great for his first year - he could hunt 4 1/2 hours before he was ready for a break. Most shed hunters talk about going slow in the woodlots and we certainly believe that is important.
For 2018, Scotty 8 sheds and Perry 1 shed. Perry didn't return home until May so I was glad he was able to get on the board in 2018. Our best day was 3 finds for Scotty in Grainger County, KY (one of the three was a nice 10 point dead head).
I do hope to come hunt your farms in 2019.
Scotty's first time to run a hunt test was in Sept 2017 and I am amazed at how far he and I have come since our beginning. Scotty is a shed dog at heart if he is in the cab with me when we approach a woodlot and he knows the speed of the truck has slowed down he shows he is ready to go.
I did get to shed hunt on Suburban Hunter's farm in Butler County, KY. I appreciate the opportunity - thanks for kindness. Went with this brother and then went back one day by our self before Turkey Season. I was surprised that we got shut out there but that is part of it. I think he has an excellent farm for deer hunting.
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