Reminder: Plant clover this fall

[MarkDarvin]

If you think there is a 1% chance you may want to try white clover next year, plant it this fall. Frost seeding, spring seeding, why bother? It's easy enough to take it out if you don't want it, but much harder if not fall planted. I just wrapped up my fall plantings and I added ladino to all my blends.

 

[lakngolf]

Thanks for reminding. I need to order durana from Poudre Valley Coop, Colorado

 

[KSQ2]

Alice and ladino going in our plots

 

[Drycreek]

Thanks Mark, I believe I will......

 

[Chainsaw]

Mark, you are spot on!. Our fall planted clover using a mix of white and red clovers and including Ladino among others is among the most successful things we have ever done on the property and adding a couple of pounds of chicory to the mix along with fifty pounds of rye helps the effort a lot as well.

 

[MarkDarvin]

Mark, you are spot on!. Our fall planted clover using a mix of white and red clovers and including Ladino among others is among the most successful things we have ever done on the property and adding a couple of pounds of chicory to the mix along with fifty pounds of rye helps the effort a lot as well.

Now that you say that, I forgot the damn chicory. There's still time. I'll be back up in a few weeks spreading all kinds of fertility on my new plot.

 

[wsucoug]

What is your ratio of red to white? I am thinking going 4 pounds of red and two pounds of white for a 50/50 mix. Gonna run the LC grain mix with awnless triticale 40 lb, oats 40 lb, rye 20 lb. Also gonna add about 5 lbs of radish as they really seem to like that here.

 

[Elkaddict]

Personally, I’d double the red clover.

 

[dogghr]

^^^ Yep especially with TM I do 10# RC and with 2 bushels of oats and 2 of WR, 5# radish, and bag of AWP. I personally wouldn't use chicory nor WC in a rotation plot. Save that cost for perennials.

 

[wsucoug]

^^^ Yep especially with TM I do 10# RC and with 2 bushels of oats and 2 of WR, 5# radish, and bag of AWP. I personally wouldn't use chicory nor WC in a rotation plot. Save that cost for perennials.

This is actually my first time adding it to the mixture. Figured if it comes on strong in the spring, might as well add some diversity. Cost isn't any different than Red as it is seeded at half the rate.

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[dogghr]

Here is my reasoning for not using a WC in a rotation plot that is to be replanted the following summer/fall. WC unlike some others like reds, does not establish quickly. It will provide feed but does not have much a chance to establish the nodules sufficently in a short period of time that produce N. So that affect is minimal. Its more shallow root structure doesn't mine many minerals from the soil in that short window either. So with that said, I would spend my money and time on plants suchas reds, brassicas, grains, etc that perform well in a short time frame. Now for perennials or a plot that issn't to be rotated for couple years, then whites have a different conversation. Just my opinion based on esperience.

 

[Creek chub]

^^^ Yep especially with TM I do 10# RC and with 2 bushels of oats and 2 of WR, 5# radish, and bag of AWP. I personally wouldn't use chicory nor WC in a rotation plot. Save that cost for perennials.

I’m hoping to establish a perennial Durana plot. What rate do you suggest for WR and oats for nurse crop?

 

[Triple C]

Here is my reasoning for not using a WC in a rotation plot that is to be replanted the following summer/fall. WC unlike some others like reds, does not establish quickly. It will provide feed but does not have much a chance to establish the nodules sufficently in a short period of time that produce N. So that affect is minimal. Its more shallow root structure doesn't mine many minerals from the soil in that short window either. So with that said, I would spend my money and time on plants suchas reds, brassicas, grains, etc that perform well in a short time frame. Now for perennials or a plot that issn't to be rotated for couple years, then whites have a different conversation. Just my opinion based on esperience.

Sage advice dogghr! I love me some durana and ladino white clover but I don't use it in plots that I terminate the following spring to do a warm season planting. Too expensive and defeating the purpose of a perennial clover plot. Only thing I plan on doing this fall is adding chicory back in the clover mix for my perennial plots.

I love the evolution of learning from hands on experience and others on here. I'm slowly converting plots of 1/2 acre or less to perennial clover plots and reserving the large fields for multiple species plantings.

 

[dogghr]

I’m hoping to establish a perennial Durana plot. What rate do you suggest for WR and oats for nurse crop?

Oats will freeze out whats not eaten this fall for the most part. Depends on soil and how planting and whether first time plot or rotating in previous planting, but I'd do 50-100# of WR and at least 50 or more for the oats. In a rotational planting over time or overseeding plots, I use only 50# of WR . Newer plots tend to go heavier amounts for weed/grass control. Good luck.

 

[MarkDarvin]

Bump.

It's that time of year again. Don't forget.

 

[jlane35]

I’ve got my seed ready for a Labor Day T&M of white clovers, chicory, medium red, oats, WR and WW. That will push my plots to 50 percent perennial and 50 percent annual. A huge improvement in my opinion from 17% perennial. We will have roughly 7 acres total planted. I’m excited for less work every fall and the benefit to the herd.

 

[Drycreek]

Way ahead of you Mark. Well, figuratively anyway. We won’t plant until mid-September. We have two plots on the lease that we planted in MRC last fall, and they will be planted with Imperial Whitetail clover this year. I love that clover and so do the deer.

 

[jlane35]

When does everyone overseed their clover into fall plots? I’ve read you need to give red clover enough time to establish roots but not to much time to get top growth before the winter cold.

 

[MarkDarvin]

When does everyone overseed their clover into fall plots? I’ve read you need to give red clover enough time to establish roots but not to much time to get top growth before the winter cold.

I've only had a little bit of red in some of my blends, but it all goes out 7-8 weeks before first frost at my place. It all seems to take and survive.

 

[jlane35]

One more question. I see the recommended seeding rate is 10-12 pounds for my red clovers I bought, mostly Mammoth Red Clover. But 2-6 pounds in a mix. I was going to broadcast 6 pounds into my brassicas. But is that considered a mix, or is it considered a straight planting of clover since the brassicas will not be competing in the spring. I have enough seed if it needs to be 10-12 pounds. I’ll just pull it from another field if needed.