Rage Hyperdermic +P for elk

Bullwinkle

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I get frustrated with fixed blades. Drew WY elk tags. I am planning on making a run at the outfitter to see if he’ll let me shoot these 1.5” rage

They are punishing on hogs and deer. I’ve gotta believe they will blow through a broadside elk

I shoot gold tip kinetics -10.8 gpi out of a 70lb Mathews Creed. 29” draw
 
Have you tried bare shaft tuning? How about spinning your arrows and matching fixed blades until they spin well. Usually fixed blades will amplify small tuning issues, that mechanicals wont. I went elk hunting a few years back and was shooting a pie plate at 80 yards with 2 blade Magnus stinger buzzcuts with a 320+ fps Mathews Halon. Usually that fast of speed doesnt work well with fixed blades. Liked them so well I use these for deer now in Wi. 40 yard shot this year in thick brush - Im sold! Good luck!!
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I have not been able to tune fixed broad-heads and am frustrated from trying

I’ve not tried bare shaft but everything else

I can’t stand any float. Rage hits where I aim. I have huge confidence in them
 
Exactly

1” muzzy trocar. I also shot a hog with them and didn’t recover it. Shot was high and a little back in the lung area

I’ve got some hog hunts lined up and plan to put 4 more into hogs to see if I can get better results. I also have some slicktricks I am going to do the same.
 
Matthew Creed set at 70lb
29” draw
Gold kinetics -10.8gpi heavy arrows
100 grain tip
Top line QAD drop away rest
5 pin vertical HHA sight

Shoots awesome.
 
My go to elk and hog setup has always included slick trick 4 blades. I’ve tuned dozens of bows and could get most (not all) to shoot exactly with field tips through a combination of walkback, paper, and bareshaft tuning. I hunt hogs in TX every year with an outfitter who grew up chasing elk with a bow. He and I share the view that it’s easier to shoot through the ribs of an elk than it is a 175lb boar hog if punching through the shield. When I first started hunting with this outfitter 10 yrs ago, he discouraged mechanicals because of mixed performance on larger boars. Today, his recommendation of broadheads is actually rage hypodermic heads assuming adequate poundage and arrow weight. I’ve shot a number of 2-300lb boars with 400g arrows at 300fps and rarely get an exit. However, the larger cut of rage heads kill quickly and always punch through to the opposite shield. Because I was not getting exits with the slicks, I’m out nothing. Back when living out west where shots averaged 45yds or so, I’d carry slick tricks and mechanicals (usually Rocky Mountain Snypers). If I knew shots were going to be long or the wind was really blowing, I’d alway have a mechanical in hand. Otherwise, I’d reach for the slicks. Today, I’d wouldnt hesitate to hunt elk with 2” hypodermics. Just my 0.02.
 
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My go to elk and hog setup has always included slick trick 4 blades. I’ve tuned dozens of bows and could get most (not all) to shoot exactly with field tips through a combination of walkback, paper, and bareshaft tuning. I hunt hogs in TX every year with an outfitter who grew up chasing elk with a bow. He and I share the view that it’s easier to shoot through the ribs of an elk than it is a 175lb boar hog if punching through the shield. When I first started hunting with this outfitter 10 yrs ago, he discouraged mechanicals because of mixed performance on larger boars. Today, his recommendation of broadheads is actually rage hypodermic heads assuming adequate poundage and arrow weight. I’ve shot a number of 2-300lb boars with 400g arrows at 300fps and rarely get an exit. However, the larger cut of rage heads kill quickly and always punch through to the opposite shield. Because I was not getting exits with the slicks, I’m out nothing. Back when living out west where shots averaged 45yds or so, I’d carry slick tricks and mechanicals (usually Rocky Mountain Snypers). If I knew shots were going to be long or the wind was really blowing, I’d alway have a mechanical in hand. Otherwise, I’d reach for the slicks. Today, I’d wouldnt hesitate to hunt elk with 2” hypodermics. Just my 0.02.

I’m right with you in your thinking. I can get slicktricks and those 1” muzzy heads to shoot like field points. Full size muzzy and thunderheads don’t. 4-6” off at 20 yards.

My hog guided texted me last night. I’m set up great for March 12 Hunt. Should get a couple of shots - only 2 day hunt. I’ll shoot one trocar and one slicktrick and see if I finally can drop one quick with a small head

Love what rage do to animals
 
Regardless of broad head, id check the arrow F.O.C - easy and quick to do with a tape measure. With the heavier arrows, you may need more broadhead weight for proper balance.

LOVE the QADs. Switched from a whisker buiscit to a QAD MXT last week and fixed some tuning issues I was fighting.

See article:
https://eastonhunting.com/what-is-f-o-c-and-how-does-it-affect-arrow-flight/

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Now that’s something I have not done. I’ll get some 125 grain thunderheads and see if it makes a difference. Tx for idea
 
Now that’s something I have not done. I’ll get some 125 grain thunderheads and see if it makes a difference. Tx for idea
I have the same length arrow and its pretty light (not sure g.p.i) and I used 100 grain broadheads. Barely made the recommendations in that article. Its funny that the bow shops dont make mention of this when sizing arrows and heads.

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Before going on an elk hunt one year, I shot hogs with all types of broadheads. I pretty much have a never ending supply. I shot them with a 3 blade muzzy trocar, 3 blade QAD, two different slick tricks, G5 Styker, T3, and 3 blade standard rage. For best penetration on boar hogs, it was a slicktrick razortricks - which I dont think they make anymore. I dont ever get an expandable broadhead out the off side of a boar hog. I do get 1” fixed out the off side of a few boar hogs. BUT, the shield on a big boar hog greatly reduces the flow of blood, so even with a broadhead out the off side, you get very little blood. I shoot anywhere from twenty to forty hogs per year with my bow - and my preference is a 1.5 inch three blade chisel tip rage. It does more internal damage than a smaller fixed blade and it usually penetrates to the shield on the off side. Hogs dont run hell bent for leather after you double lung them like deer do. If you shoot them and be quiet about it they will typically go sixty to eighty yards - stopping and walking - and often give a death squeel when they die - helping to find them. All that said - I think that rage + P would be my broadhead of choice for elk.
 
Measured my arrow -10.4% FOC

The gold tip kinetics come with a 1/2” protruding insert which is why I think I scored so weight forward.

I’m on the high end of the weight forward recommendation

Back to begging my outfitter to let me use rage
 
X2 slick trick. Also, if you haven’t tuned to bare shaft all your other tuning is a bit of a waste. Start there.

Sort of like putting an expensive scope on a gun with a crooked barrel.


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X2 slick trick. Also, if you haven’t tuned to bare shaft all your other tuning is a bit of a waste. Start there.

Sort of like putting an expensive scope on a gun with a crooked barrel.


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Kwood, could you talk us thru your tuning approach? I think I got a pretty good approach, but its nice to hear other ideas.

I usually set my centershot with a tape measure and eye ball for rest height. Then I torque tune, moving the rest forward and back or the sight forward and back.Then I shoot 2 bareshaft and 2 fletched arrows - adjusting the rest to get the same point of imact and arrow angles between the fletched & bareshafts (start close and begin backing up). At that point i adjust sights. Usually that gets things in good shape. I finish by testing broadheads to see if they hit with field points - usually no adjustments are needed. I spin my arrows and broadheads before doing any tuning.

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Snow, quite honestly pretty similar to you. If arrows are in spine and bow timing is good, it’s pretty simple. Whether you do it yourself or pay a shop to do it, I just believe it is an important step regardless of what you shoot on end of arrow.


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You say you can't get bow tuned for fixed blades, but say slick tricks and 1" muzzys shoot with field points.

If you shoot animals high and back, you may not recover them with a rifle...
 
I have no problem with small diameter broadheads. My point is you have to hit them perfect

No doubt I killed the hog - which was the goal. The issue is it didn’t die within 100 yards or so. I am pretty sure if I had a rage on it would have been different.

Hogs are tough to drop within a short distance with a bow. Are goal hog hunting is to kill everyone possible - recovering is less important than killing them. The damage they do is unreal

Great practice and a lot of fun
 
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