Piper (The Swiss Army Knife)

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  1. wbpdeer

    wbpdeer Well-Known Member

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    He is 8 months old and every 60 days you will see him mature. Stay with the hold conditioning and he will develop the right habit.

    When he drops one at your feet - what does he do then - run off - look at you - want some praise? Some trainers recommend slowly the dog down by having them sit with the antler in their mouth. At 8 months of age we are more concerned about developing the correct habit than setting a course record.

    If you have the dog hold the antler in a sit position and then when the dog is incoming and you have them sit you will soon see him nail it.

    With Perry I keep both hands behind my knees so he don't see them. I drop my hands down and come up to his mouth to get the antler - he never sees my hands coming. When dog anticipates they can get in a hurry and sort of throw the antler at you because they have forward movement from moving fast.

    Scotty likes his nose in the air and holds antlers better when his nose is up. I can take an antler from in an erect standing position most times.

    I say in 30 days you will have it solved. June 2nd at Norm Henderson's Farm. Perry, Scotty and I are going.
     
  2. PineSapJunky

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    Training has restarted at the house in hope to get the dogs whipped into shape for their June 2nd hunt test. Oberon has amazing drive when he is focused but wants to please. I am having issues with his hold and delivering to hand but we are working on that. He has an amazing prey drive and I am using that to my advantage. I am working him on the table regular as they do when trainers "force fetch" a dog. I'm just doing it without the stimulus. He's coming around. I'm not worried about him finding the sheds. Just delivering them to my hand. As for Piper she cruises the courses like she's been doing it for a lifetime. Steady and confident is the best way to describe her.

    Traveling with two large dogs has presented a challenge for us. I know in the past throwing the dog in the back of a pickup truck or car and going was the way to go. My wife's SUV is out of the question. It's too nice of a car to have dogs in and out of constantly. Especially considering the weather we've ran in on these hunts. Plus it is 2wd and 4wd had come in handy more than once on these tests. We looked into getting a 4wd suburban to travel in but who wants a $900 a month payment? The most economical and practical solution for us was to by a dog box and travel in my truck. Its 4wd, comfortable on long trips and the kids can all sit in the back if we decide to drag them with us. After a little research and a lot of recommendations from people who have them I went with an Owen's dog box. I like the welded aluminum. I really wanted one with the draw underneath but ended up going with a top storage. It has all season vents so the dogs will be comfortable in the summer and warm during the winter. Piper already chose her side. I will keep everyone up to date. Thanks for following[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

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    2019 NASHDA Hunt Test in Carlisle Indiana Update:

    Loaded up the dogs at 6am Friday morning in their new dog box. Just so you know there might be a better way to travel with dogs but I won't look for one. Having them and their stuff all in one, safe, secure location is awesome. Made the 11 hour and 640 mile drive to Washington Indiana to stay the night. Along the way we would stop about every 3 hours to water and stretch the dogs. I would randomly hide a shed before I let them out. It's a little game I like to play with them to see if their brain is wired for what I want and sure enough it is. I've have been having trouble with Oberon not retrieving to hand and was really worried that he wouldn't do well. He seemed to get it figured out right in the nic of time. We lost some precious time during the test not retrieving it straight to my hand but eventually he would do it. I kept him from getting 2 passes. He passed the first course with time to spare. Onto the second course I failed to locate the boundary markers properly and pulled him off the last shed he needed to find to get another pass. It was 100% my fault. Onto Piper and her first run in the senior division. There was some confusion about using a yearling shed in the senior class and ended up having to find one on the first course. As always she started out slow but picked up the pace. A lot of that has to do with how slow I work. I don't want to miss any sheds and purposely work an area probably more than I should before moving on. We ended up with 2 passes with with her. Visiting with everyone is probably my favorite part. The friendships made and people you get to meet during these events are all worth the traveling and money spent. I've been kicking myself since I failed Obe on the second course. I forgot he is 5 months younger than Piper was on her first test and I haven't worked nearly as much with him as I should have. When I put it in perspective like that he is an amazing dog with a really bright future. We now have 3 full months until we travel to Tennessee to run in Wayne's hunt test. Until then I will continue to develop Obe's hold and polishing up Piper. Please. If anyone is slightly interested in this or getting into this. Wayne and myself would be more than happy to introduce you to what we know and have learned. Thanks again. [​IMG][​IMG]

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    Congrats on a good Hunt Test. When handlers run enough courses, there will be a goofus somewhere as I know from personal experience. It does make us practice better and mentally we focus our attention better.

    Gosh our dogs did a great job in a hot environment with the woods perfectly still at times (zero breeze).

    I wish my two dogs were as well behaved on a bed as Piper and Oberon.

    I echo what Zach said - anyone that has a dog which you wonder about - get in the game. Plenty of guidance is available from many sources. Labs and other breeds just do a great job at figuring issues out when given a reasonable opportunity.

    The participants at Hunt Test are great folks. Another reason to jump in. Readers in the south, Portland, TN Hunt Test on Sept 29th (5 miles south of Kentucky state line) and Olive Branch, MS Hunt Test on Oct 13 & 14 (UKC Event) and Oct 13 (NASHDA Event).

    Kentucky Antler Dogs will soon schedule a Hunt Test - they are working now on nailing down their course location.

    A very favorable calendar to get a dog settled in to improving their skills. Attending an event is the best way to gain valuable knowledge on training a dog and developing their drive on shed antlers.

    Piper and Oberon are two fine looking dogs and have an excellent track record. Zach and Jennifer have done a great job with them.

    Wayne
     
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    It's a family affair!!!!!!!

    We are loaded up and heading to Portland Tennessee for what I'm calling the start of the fall shed season. Wayne Pruitt and Tennessee Shed Dogs are hosting the event tomorrow Saturday the 28th. Wayne has seen the need to pass it on to the younger generation and is putting on a kid course too!!! Emma & Collin will be running Piper in the event. Oberon is still young and way too much of dog for them to handle. None the less we are all excited about the trip. Stopped off at our traditional stop for some lunch. Anyone wanting to see what it is about I encourage everyone to come out and tag along. You meet some really nice people. We're looking for Obe's 2nd & 3rd Junior pass and Piper's 3rd & 4th senior pass this weekend. We shall see. Updates to follow[​IMG]

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    Tennessee was good to us........

    Running these hunt tests over the past 10 months we have encountered almost every kind of weather you can imagine. Snow and ice in Kentucky, sloppy rains in Mississippi, flooding rains along with heat and bugs in Indiana. Tennessee was hands down the best weather we have ever had. Cool mornings and solid breeze along with it being slightly damp all combined to make perfect weather for running the dogs.

    My hat goes off to Wayne in his maiden event for Tennessee Shed Dogs. He was ambitious it what he wanted to accomplish but I think he pulled it off nicely. We had 11 different states represented this past weekend with a slew of different breeds of all ages. Plus is being at a nice public park gave the kids something to do while they waited.

    First out of the gate I was shadowing Wayne to finish up what was required of me to get my judging credentials. Judging is a lot different than handling your dog. None the less I still stressed for the dogs and their handlers. After I got finished placing sheds for the junior course it was off to run Piper on the senior course. For those of you that are unfamiliar with NASHDA rules. A senior class dog has to find 6 sheds within 15 minutes just like the juniors. Only thing different is that the placements and courses are harder along with 1 of the sheds is from a yearling buck and one will be in water. I have finally learned to trust Piper. Her slow but methodical approach is something I've come to appreciate and love. She uses her nose just as good if not better than some of the top dogs. She performed flawlessly on both courses and we passed both with ease. She has yet to let me down and is 10 for 10 in her NASHDA career.

    As good as Piper is I'm more impressed with my male Oberon. I started Obe 4 months sooner than I did Piper. He has come a long way in a short amount of time. He was in the kennel most of the day which can lead to some dogs being more interested in playing than hunting. We were on the tail end of the running order meaning he had a lot of foot traffic and scent already lid down before him to try to figure out. Since I had previous planted sheds on the first junior course they were reset for me so I didn't know any of the locations. This was probably the 4th different spot these sheds have been placed that day. He ran the 1st course with precision and with an easy pass. The 2nd course proved to be more of a challenge. Wayne outdid himself on that one. The course was laid out in the shape as a big football leaving a lot of open ground to cover and getting turned around pretty easy making it easy to forget where you had already been. We found 4 sheds right off the bat. It was only by luck that I stumbled upon the 5th. Knowing where it was I sent Obe in another direction to find the 6th. He picked it up in no time. I could of pushed him hard to find the last shed but since we had plenty of time I left it up to him to find on his own purposely leaving him a really long retrieve to finish the day. All in all we walked away with 4 passes on the day. Met a lot of new faces and visited with friends.

    Our next hunt test is in north Mississippi at Ed Norys farm in 2 weeks. I'm hoping for 2 passes for Piper to finish her senior title and move into the master class. Obe will need 3 more passes to clear juniors. Please feel free if anyone has any questions to reach out to myself or Wayne.

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    That is a beautiful picture - your dogs are as white as we see and those nice red ribbons look great. Congrats on the 4 passes. My Perry struggled and had his first timed out on Course B. He was placed on the chain line right at daylight and he was tired and hot before we started. He is 5 for 6 now and the plan is to complete his Junior Title at Ed Norys Hunt Test in the Olive Branch, Mississippi.

    Scotty has a good day. I was wore out physically from not being able to sleep the night before and told John Ballard, Ronnie Gambrell and Ed Norys I was just here for a pass. So I am going slow, Scotty knows this course better than any man or dog alive. He did his part and really had 3 good meets in a row. Scotty turns 2 years old on Oct 21st. Scotty's track record is 13 out of 16.

    Both of my dogs are 2 for 2 with the UKC Events.

    The wind on Course B dropped off to nothing when Perry and I were working it.

    I want to thank you for completing your Judge walk along here. You will be an outstanding Judge. My first time to Judge and it is the most fun to watch what dogs do especially since we know where the antler is located. I was interested in where and how they got the first whiff of the scent cone. You and I will become smarter because we are judging - if that is possible.

    We had 30 dogs from 10 states - the railroad cost me an Oklahoma Dog as my friend was in Texas but not able to be released in time. The dog count by state:
    8 Kentucky Dogs 6 Mississippi Dogs 5 Tennessee Dogs 3 Indiana Dogs 2 Ohio Dogs 2 North Carolina Dogs 1 Michigan Dog 1 Missouri Dog 1 Arkansas Dog 1 Kansas Dog.

    I believe there are people on this forum that have dogs that would be great at this sport. Please contact Zac or I if you have questions.
     
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    This is so true Wayne. For anyone looking to get into shed hunting with dogs this is an invaluable resource of information. I understand the "competition" side of the sport could be a turn off. I have learned more about my dogs and ways I can improve their performance in the field by going to these competitions. This in return will make for a lot more quality time in the woods while hunting wild sheds and be more rewarding for both me and my dogs. You don't have to have a lab and it doesn't have to be a young dog either. One of the best dogs I've seen competing didn't get started until he was 9 years old. If your dog has a drive to please you it can be learned.

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    Traveled to Holly Springs on Friday the 12th to run the Mid-South NASHDA event hosted by Ed Norys. First and foremost my hat goes off to Ed and his crew. To host one of these events takes a lot of time and dedication along with a good bit of money forked out of pocket. Ed's courses are always fun and challenging. This can lead to some slower times people aren't use to running and some dogs timing out. Most of the time it is the handlers fault. I really enjoyed Ed's course layout. I ran Oberon first in the junior division. Leading up to Friday Obe had been to the vet twice with a couple different issues. None of which seemed to slow him down. Obe ran his best courses to date and is only improving getting pass 4 & 5.

    After a little rest it was time to run Piper on the senior course. She worked really good on the first course not missing a single shed. We could of got our time down a little but I'm not hung up on fast times like some other folks. The second course proved to be more of a challenge. She hit on a spot 6 different times. For the life of me I couldn't see what she was smelling and she couldn't put her eyes on it as well. I pulled her off and we found 5 well within 10 minutes leaving only one to find. We went back to the spot she hit on a couple different times with the same result. With 45 seconds left I walked as fast as I could to that same spot. Fearing we were about to taste our first time out ever I had almost gave up. Then Piper threw that nose in the air coming in from a completely different direction. I saw it the same time see did. She snatched it up and put it in my had at 14:58!!! Two seconds to spare!!! I was beyond excited for her.

    For those that might be thrown off by the competition aspect of shed hunting I encourage you to reconsider. These events are fun and are geared towards making friends and developing a relationship with your dog. Plus I have learned a ton about how to run my dog in different conditions. Yes there will be a couple of shedheads (what I call them) that are snobs and only care about fast times and ribbons. I'm looking for a pass. If we get it done a little quicker that's all the better. They can have their high strung dogs. Every now and then a dog will have his day and put it all together. Just ask Wayne. His dogs are something to watch. Mine and most others are just pets. Piper completed her senior title and will be onto the master division. Obe still has one pass to go for his junior title. Our next test is in early December with the great folks from Bluegrass Shed Dogs in Kentucky. Wish us luck

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