Persimmons...how do I love thee...let me count the ways.....

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  1. Native Hunter

    Native Hunter Well-Known Member

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    Lak, I pulled an old picture out on you. That one is from 2013. I was just showing why I don't think much about possums and coons....:D

    Sweet 14 is still on radar...………..

    I don't care how many persimmons that coons and possums get, because we have plenty for all wildlife. Persimmons are the greatest deer attractant on my property - even better than chestnuts and Sawtooth Acorns. I have sawtooth acorns laying all over the ground right now, but every persimmon that hits the ground is eaten.

    I had a camera on the trail leading to one persimmon tree - not actually on the tree but just on the trail. I would get over 1,000 pictures in 5 days just on deer walking back and forth to the tree.

    Evidently coons and possums aren't eating all of the persimmons in my trees, because I was there just yesterday and saw plenty still hanging in the trees. And, if I ever do have a problem with coons and possums, I certainly know how to take them out. That is no problem. God gave me dominion over the earth, and if I need to exercise that right, I sure can!

    But for the time being it is a persimmon LOVE FEST here. All critters are welcome - except for coyotes which I will blow away on sight! Have a good one!!!
     
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    I just thought it was funny finding him up in that tree. Didn’t have the heart to shoot him. Possums gotta eat too!

    Two rules I try to live by....

    1. Only kill what you’ll eat.
    2. Only kill what eats what you’ll eat.

    I don’t like possum and I don’t like persimmon so he’s safe.

    Matt

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  3. Native Hunter

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    Those are two excellent rules to live by. I commend you for that! The only thing I will add is that I will also kill what is trying to eat me!
     
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    Possum up the 'simmon tree
    And raccoon on the ground
    Possum says you dirty hound
    You'd better shake some 'simmon down

    [Chorus]
    Oh come on Mary
    Oh come on Mary
    Oh come on Mary
    Let's do it again

    Possum said to the 'coon again
    You'd better head and run
    You'd better not be here when I
    Get that 'simmon gun

    [Chorus]
    Oh come on Mary
    Oh come on Mary
    Oh come on Mary
    Let's do it again

    Possum up the 'simmon tree
    And raccoon on the ground
    Possum says you dirty hound
    You'd better shake some 'simmon down
     
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    There is no doubt one of our best spots for bowhunting is somewhere around this old persimmon tree. It has been producing for years and is the source of all the little trees I have grown and planted.
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    Amazing how God's creation provides for all things created.
     
  6. Mitch123

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    Native, what kind of conditions do your presimmons thrive in? I would love to get some going and that turn out to be half as amazing as yours. Sandy soil correct?
     
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    Mitch, my soil is not really sandy. It's more of a loam. But, persimmon is one of the most adaptable trees you will ever find. It will grow in practically any soil (clay-loam, loam, silt, sand, and rocky material) and it seems to be very adaptable as far as moisture is concerned as well. It has a deep taproot and will grow in very dry conditions once established - just as well as it will with great moisture.
     
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    I don't have any persimmons, and the only thing I know about persimmons is reading what's been written here, can you give me some advice? I'm not in any particular hurry to see fruit, but I'm interested in starting some trees. Our conservation district is doing a tree sale and have persimmon seedlings for sale as follows;
    PERSIMMON (Common) (Diospyros virginiana) A/S 1-0 yr., 12-18" G Prefers full sun to partial sun and well drained soils. C Canopy tree 50'-70' tall with 35' -50' spread. Blooms in June and gets a orange/purple berry from September to November. Edible fruit after hard frost. $1.75 per tree.
    Does this sound like a good start for getting into the persimmon business? Would you start these in grow tubes or 36" dia. wire 4' high? Any other tips appreciated. Berks shaly silt loam, well drained 5% slope, zone 6b.
     
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    Seems like a good deal to me. I just purchased 10 similar sized seedlings from the VA Dept of Forestry for $2 a piece as well as 10 crabapple seedlings and I think that is a decent price. I'm planning on 4' caging with weed mats.
     
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    That sounds good. I haven't bought seedlings for a long time, so don't know if that is a good price or not. You could compare with the prices at MDC where lots of people buy seedlings.

    I would put them in the field where I wanted them to grow and cage them. I don't use tubes, but that is a personal choice. Use the same methodology and care as planting an apple or pear tree. In about 12+ years they will start flowering and you can ID which are males and females. You can keep a few males for pollination and topwork the others to females. Since they are cheap, I would plant them about 15 feet apart and thin later on if necessary. You will likely have a few to die, so crowding a little is okay.
     
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    Why does the chestnut hill website say their 2 yr old trees will bear fruit in 3-2 years?
     
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    It's because their trees are grafted. Earlier production is the case with grafted trees, whether it be apples, pears, persimmons, etc... This is because the scion wood retains the genetic maturity of the tree it was taken from. Also, some rootstocks to which fruit is grafted has a tendency for earlier bearing. I've seen apple trees chest high bear an apple the first year it was planted. However, I don't recommend letting trees fruit that early.
     
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    And those grafted trees from Chestnut Hill do hold to that timing or earlier. I bought some 3 gallon “Big DV” American and 3 gallon Asian from Walmart when they were selling them there and I had flowering and fruiting as soon as they woke up that year. I pinched those off as the tree wouldn’t be able to handle it at that size. But it was very encouraging seeing that.


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    Hard to beat MDC for bulk pricing on bare root seedlings

    I planted 500 persimmon this past weekend

    website says they are still available

    The site is like a candy store

    bill
     
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    Japanese varieties are also "reportedly" self fertile

    bill
     
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    I’ve planted many persimmon seedling then tubed them. They do very well in a tree tube. I have some 4 year old tubes persimmons that are about 7 ft tall. Hoping for fruit ina couple years.
     
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    Congratulations on your persimmon tree farm. Is that several acres? Do you have any pics?
     
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    I planted them around plots, along trails, and any minor elevated areas in creek bottom type acreage

    Someday I will learn how to post pics..........

    bill
     
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    I grew from seed and planted a ton of persimmons in jan 2013, along with sawtooth. One persimmon had small amount of fruit last year. Hoping for great things from both this year. Some young persimmon are in Bull Pen area I am revamping so hope they do well. Some young pear trees there too.
     
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