Old long rifle help needed

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  1. j-bird

    j-bird Well-Known Member

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    I was gifted an "old" muzzleloader rifle over the holiday. I am being told that it was built by my grandfather's grandfather. I am not sure what "built" means either. I am not sure if it was built as a kit....if they did that back then or if it was actually "built" meaning they had the lock, stock and barrel all assembled and made some of it themselves. My grandfather is passed and those I am getting the info from are not 100% sure of it's history, other than where it came from. Where would be a good source for me to try to track down maybe some info on this gun? I have no numbers or identification marks on the gun that I can see...and taking the gun apart I fear will only further damage it as the stock is already broken in several places. The metal surfaces are highly corroded and any reasonable detail is lost.

    The gun is in VERY poor shape and has zero value I am sure....but it's a piece of the family history and as such being able to put even a rough age to it would be helpful.

    It has an octagonal barrel - even the muzzle end of the bore is octagonal. I am told it has "square" rifling.... It is a percussion style lock with a hair trigger (actual 2 triggers with curved trigger and straight trigger). The stock seems very "crude" to me in that it is very square in style and doesn't seem to have "pretty" lines. It's also a smaller caliber....I'm guessing 38, 36 or 32. I am told it is more of an "ohio" style rifle as well.....but I am not sure even what that means.

    I'm just looking for a resource to tap in to ti try to help me figure out exactly what it is and roughly how old it is..
     
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    Accurate Shooter forum.....probably has some of the most knowledgeable gun nuts out there. I know every now and i then i have odds and ends questions and majority of guys on there know their stuff in and out or could point you in right direction.
     
  3. Drycreek

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    I can only help with one aspect, the triggers. It has what is called a “set” trigger. The rear one sets up the front, which is then a “hair” trigger. Guns and Ammo has a column called “Identification and Values” or something similar. Garry James is the columnist and he is rarely stumped on identifying a firearm. Might email them with pictures. Good luck !
     
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    Picture?
     
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    Working on it. I left it with my folks as I was not prepared to transport it when it was given to me. I was fearful of the kids stepping on it and further damaging it.....it's in that bad of shape. I'll post up a few pics once I have it home.
     
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    Sorry for the delay in getting pics. But here are some. The bore is a bit confusing as it measure roughly .345" So I am thinking it's either a .32 or a .36 caliber. There are no exterior numbers or marking on it that I can find....and I REALLY don't want to take it apart as it is in terrible condition and I fear disassembly will only damage it further.

    Percussion cap lock with "hair trigger":
    lock 1.jpg
    lock 2.jpg

    Butt stock:
    stock 1.jpg
    stock 2.jpg

    rear sight:
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    More pics:

    Overall size and barrel length:
    length 1.jpg
    barrel length.jpg

    Front sight:
    front sight.jpg

    Muzzle end:
    muzzle 1.jpg
    muzzle 2.jpg
     
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    I just realized the barrel is 8 sided but the bore is 7 sided.....WTF! Leave it to my family to come up with some sort of weird #$%@ (stuff) like this!
     
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    I got some pictures posted....finally!
     
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    J-bird, contact Garry James at Guns & Ammo and I’ll bet he can tell you a lot about what you have.
    GARRY.JAMES@OUTDOORSG.com
     
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    Done....thank you for the address.
     
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    I hope he can shed some light on your rifle. You may even make the magazine ! He’s very knowledgeable and that’s one of my favorite columns in each issue.
     
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    It will be a nice change of pace being in print for something other than the police blotter......:D
     
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    j-bird, did you ever get any feedback on the old rifle ?
     

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