New deer rifle caliber?

I'll try to answer your questions in order.

A threaded barrel refers to the muzzle end being threaded to accept a suppressor (all the rage now although I am underwhelmed), or a muzzle brake( underwhelmed more)

Three locking lugs generally means a shorter bolt throw, desirable but not necessary. Two lugs have held up well since bolt actions were invented.

Floating or full length bedding are both acceptable ways to bed a rifle barrel. Some rifles shoot well free floated, some shoot better with a small "pad" under the barrel which puts upward pressure on the barrel near the end of the forearm of the stock. Some shoot well fully glass bedded.

Powders are much better than they were just ten years ago and barrel length isn't as critical unless you're shooting a cartridge case full of slow burning powder, then you might need a 24" to 26" barrel. Generally speaking short barrels are stiffer which translates to better accuracy. I have a TC Encore pistol with a 15" barrel (.260 Rem) that's as accurate as almost any off-the-shelf rifle if you can hold it. :)

There's a reason we call them "tupperware" stocks. They are mass produced for inexpensive firearms. They will take some abuse and still do the job though. These cheap stocks are not to be confused with fiberglass or carbon inlaid stocks. They can cost as much as these economy type rifles, $200 and up, but worth it IMO.

Again, IMO, the $300/$400 rifles are entry level or kids guns. I know they will shoot, but they will never appreciate in value or even be worth 80% of what you paid years from now. A better (and more expensive) rifle will, but I see a market for these inexpensive rifles, because there are uses for them such as those I mentioned, or as a truck gun, or even a rifle for a guy that isn't really into guns but wants to own one to use occasionally.

Hope this helps.
 
I'll try to answer your questions in order.

A threaded barrel refers to the muzzle end being threaded to accept a suppressor (all the rage now although I am underwhelmed), or a muzzle brake( underwhelmed more)

Three locking lugs generally means a shorter bolt throw, desirable but not necessary. Two lugs have held up well since bolt actions were invented.

Floating or full length bedding are both acceptable ways to bed a rifle barrel. Some rifles shoot well free floated, some shoot better with a small "pad" under the barrel which puts upward pressure on the barrel near the end of the forearm of the stock. Some shoot well fully glass bedded.

Powders are much better than they were just ten years ago and barrel length isn't as critical unless you're shooting a cartridge case full of slow burning powder, then you might need a 24" to 26" barrel. Generally speaking short barrels are stiffer which translates to better accuracy. I have a TC Encore pistol with a 15" barrel (.260 Rem) that's as accurate as almost any off-the-shelf rifle if you can hold it. :)

There's a reason we call them "tupperware" stocks. They are mass produced for inexpensive firearms. They will take some abuse and still do the job though. These cheap stocks are not to be confused with fiberglass or carbon inlaid stocks. They can cost as much as these economy type rifles, $200 and up, but worth it IMO.

Again, IMO, the $300/$400 rifles are entry level or kids guns. I know they will shoot, but they will never appreciate in value or even be worth 80% of what you paid years from now. A better (and more expensive) rifle will, but I see a market for these inexpensive rifles, because there are uses for them such as those I mentioned, or as a truck gun, or even a rifle for a guy that isn't really into guns but wants to own one to use occasionally.

Hope this helps.
Thanks Drycreek.
 
OK - I need some feedback on a specific gun this time. I really, really liked a Howa 1500 Game King that I handled. It has a Hogue over-molded stock, 3.5-10X44 scope, and I just really liked the way it felt and functioned. It felt like a nicer gun. It was in 243 and just about the only reason it didn't come home with me (as I am looking for a 308). Anybody have or use one of these????
 
OK - I need some feedback on a specific gun this time. I really, really liked a Howa 1500 Game King that I handled. It has a Hogue over-molded stock, 3.5-10X44 scope, and I just really liked the way it felt and functioned. It felt like a nicer gun. It was in 243 and just about the only reason it didn't come home with me (as I am looking for a 308). Anybody have or use one of these????

I have not, what scope?
 
I have not, what scope?
That package has a 3.5-10x44 Nikko Stirling scope on it. The scope will certainly do for the short term, but it may get upgraded later. I personally was new to the name, but from what I have read they have been around for 60 years and seem to produce at least a decent product. I am not a long distance shooting at this time.....I push my 22-250 out to 300 yards at best. If I decide to start trying to push my 308 out to greater distances the scope may get changed, but it's primary function will still be hunting at 200 yards or less.
 
Any chance you might buy a "better" gun minus the scope and buy a scope at a later date (after saving up some more money). You could always pull a scope off of another rifle for a while.

My dad has a Savage .308 with a Springfield scope (range finding reticle). It's good out to 1000m if you use the 168 grain match grade ammo that it's calibrated for. Not that we are that good of shots but the gun/scope is dead on as far as we have ability. It certainly isn't the weak link. The scope is pretty cool as each bracket, line, and box represents a certain size at that distance. For instance; if you know the average size of a deer's chest in your area and the deer's chest fits the 600m bracket, then that is the crosshair you use.
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Ok Cat......help me out here.....what exactly are you trying to tell me? Spit it out, I'm a big boy, I can handle it. I promise I won't cry........much......Hahahaha!

I know....I have not given your H&R rifle much of a chance.... To be honest I haven't been able to find one I can get my hands on new or used. Apparently there is some sort of stigma against single shot rifles.....

I have never seen a scope reticle like that before....I'm used to the old cross hairs! Looks like yours is trying to play some sort of video game! I set my zero at 100 or 200 yards and play the "hold over" game if needed. The only gun I have that I shoot out to 300 yards is my 22-250 and it shots flat enough that with a 200 yard zero - I can just hold dead on and let it eat!
 
Lol, not saying anything! Your choice or selection seems to be evolving as you go... just throwing something new out there. You seem to want something better than your initial search was going to get ya. We call my dad's gun "The Sniper Rifle" as that's pretty much what it is; something you lug out, hunker down with, and wait for a shot. To tell you the truth I don't think any of us have ever shot anything more than 100yds away with it, even though we've practiced MUCH farther than that. And... to be honest with you again my little H&R is the first gun most of us grab when it's time to plink or go afield. The range finder scope is awesome but my favorite scope for hunting is a fixed (on 6 power) scope with crystal clear lens's.
 
Lol, not saying anything! Your choice or selection seems to be evolving as you go... just throwing something new out there. You seem to want something better than your initial search was going to get ya. We call my dad's gun "The Sniper Rifle" as that's pretty much what it is; something you lug out, hunker down with, and wait for a shot. To tell you the truth I don't think any of us have ever shot anything more than 100yds away with it, even though we've practiced MUCH farther than that. And... to be honest with you again my little H&R is the first gun most of us grab when it's time to plink or go afield. The range finder scope is awesome but my favorite scope for hunting is a fixed (on 6 power) scope with crystal clear lens's.

IF I boil it all down.....in the end it becomes a matter of what I "had" to get vs what I "wanted" to get. MY gun, MY money.....regardless of how I justify it. Regardless if it makes any sense. If I buy something I don't like....I set myself up for the purchase to be a long term failure. Even with all the other constraints.....if I don't like it....I shouldn't buy it.
 
J, the Howa rifle is a solid one, no problems there. I know very little about the scope you mentioned, but I'm sure google can help you out. I'm a Nikon fan, good glass for the money. I have them on 22-250, two 6.8 SPC, two .223/5.56, and a custom APR .280 Remington. I like the BDC reticle. Coupled with Nikon's Spot-On app, you can know pretty well where your bullet hits with what ammo way farther than I will shoot. I've found it to be very close at up to 350 yd., which is as far as I've stretched it. Good luck in your quest !
 
Well, I have a Howa 1500 Game King package in 308 ordered for right at $450. Shipping and FFL transfer included I should come in under $500. I'm pretty excited!!!
 
Well I took the plunge. I bought a Howa 1500 Gameking package gun in 308 win. Hogue stock, Nikko Stirling 3.5-10 x 44 scope $460 plus FFL transfer cost. I think I made out pretty good. It came in yesterday and the shop owner mounted the scope for me and I was able to put only 3 rounds thru it tonight before it got dark. I will be out punching holes in paper tomorrow. Hopefully will be putting down some yotes and come fall some deer!
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