alyce clover is not a clover like you are thinking. It will die off as soon as it gets a frost on it. I know it is strange because our food plotting is different from yours lol. we can plant a lot later than you and still be ok. For instance, last year I did the TNM the at the end of September and it did not get rained on until mid December but it came up great for me and did very well. I always want to comment more on other people threads but I realize my experiences are different than the more Northern climates and I don't have any experience with that.